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  • #91
    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    We can still talk about heathkit though right?
    Isn't linux the new heathkit anyways ? You kind of build it yourself ? One of the essential problems of linux IMHO.

    anyways I think I have a CB radio kit with a amplifier " thats way above legal wattage" somewhere. I'll dig around and post pics if I still have it.

    bring on the heathkits.

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    • #92
      Heh, I have a slightly illegal CB booster somewhere in the garage too.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
        actually gallium most likely won't have the capabilitys I am looking for. Plus I want to completely avoid the middleware becuase I'll be needing everybit of the cpu and the gpu to do what I am looking to do.
        so but AMD provides you most free stuff of all the competitors. So live with that or build your own gpu. Even if you want more from AMD buying cards from them will maybe wake up nvidia if they loose market share that there go someday even more open than AMD is today then you become over this detour what you want.

        But I have a feeling that you if you not even know what gallium is and donīt know that we have 3d support for several years in r300 (like forever) and since a while also with r600. (inclusively r700?).
        The driver gets slowly matured, so prette good power-management, more 3d speed and other stuff is there if you install from upstream.
        I am really happy about this. So you dont need this I know, but instead of saying that you need nothing what most people want, how about saying what you need that would maybe spare some time.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
          Even if you want more from AMD buying cards from them will maybe wake up nvidia if they loose market share that there go someday even more open than AMD is today then you become over this detour what you want.
          I doubt very much that sales lost due to lack of open specs hurt nvidia in any measurable way. They probably lose or gain sales more from the performance in the latest AAA GPU killer app or game.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by bridgman View Post
            OK, looks like someone is going to have to stand up for what's right...

            NO MORE DAMN CAR ANALOGIES
            I really really did find it browsing, NOT searching for it. But here it comes:
            http://www.theecologist.org/News/new..._industry.html


            Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
            I second that...why this went way off topic is beyond me. Now why talk about AMD when this is about the Nouveau driver?
            Sorry, next time we will troll on topic instead of productive offtopic.

            So, if you find my idea a time waste, np. Let our bogatyri finish 2000 people job.

            All without our financial support. Opensource is so good, it will manage it without money.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by deanjo View Post
              I doubt very much that sales lost due to lack of open specs hurt nvidia in any measurable way. They probably lose or gain sales more from the performance in the latest AAA GPU killer app or game.
              every bit helps, lets say amd goes bankrupt or so (not that likely) then you dont have even that level of open drivers any more.
              lets say 2% of all people want such drivers. thats something to beginn with. Lets say it the other way, buying nvidia hardware will not help such goals at all.
              But do you really not want drivers where you can use your desktop for free? for what do you want such gpu to calculate wether or what?

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              • #97
                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                I doubt very much that sales lost due to lack of open specs hurt nvidia in any measurable way. They probably lose or gain sales more from the performance in the latest AAA GPU killer app or game.
                I agree, at least so far. If Dell or some other OEM decides to go with ATI for that reason, however, the story could change very quickly.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  But do you really not want drivers where you can use your desktop for free?
                  The performance hit and lack of features is too high of a price for me. I don't purchase new hardware so it can be out performed by a 5 generation old card with blobs. If I wanted that kind of performance I would have never purchased the new card in the first place.

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                  • #99
                    Ok if that is more important playing games in linux or what do you do using blender or what? that should work with the open driver well? then having a nearly perfect (except speed) open driver where you dont have to manage seperatly a binary blob then go ahead buy a nvidia card.

                    For me its great because before the acquisition of ati from amd there was no open drivers at all except for very old r300 cards (till x800 series or maybe x1800?) except for vesa or the crappy 2d nv driver, and Intel but Intel have good drivers but crappy gpus, so I better have cheaper (internal) good gpus with slow drivers, then crappy interal gpus with good drivers, because the drivers can get faster the gpu-hardware not. And Intel is mostly more expensive. Also amd has more often hdmi/displayport support...

                    But if you want to play under linux or do some other task? that needs that 3d speed go ahead and buy a nvidia card. I want the freedom to test which linux with alpha distro which whatever when I want to, not asking if a company compiles from time to time with some luck me a new driver that works, and maybe have to seperatly install it, I dont want a Taintet (unfree) linux

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                    • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                      Ok if that is more important playing games in linux or what do you do using blender or what? that should work with the open driver well? then having a nearly perfect (except speed) open driver where you dont have to manage seperatly a binary blob then go ahead buy a nvidia card.
                      Have you ever tried using Maya, Pro/E, or any GPGPU with free drivers? I won't even go into video decoding.

                      In short, if you wish to purchase a card for future support that may if your lucky achieve 50-60% of the speed of a blob, sacrifice features, decreased efficiency, 3-5 years after your initial purchase then all the more power to you. Not everybody has that money to waste.

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                      • I dont use that software, I did not even know that there is a linux version of maya

                        I am using that card at my home-pc there I maybe develop some stuff or even make a 3d game (canta-game.org) that works with that driver so there is no problem. If you need more speed for working buy a nvidia card. For proffessional stuff its legitim to make compromisses in my opinion, because if you hunger to death you dont have very much of your more on freedom.

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                        • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                          For proffessional stuff its legitim to make compromisses in my opinion, because if you hunger to death you dont have very much of your more on freedom.
                          The freedom of being able to run all my apps efficiently NOW > the freedom of 5 years down the road and still operating @ 1/2 speed. I rarely use cards on a daily basis that are over 2 years old. Still some of the cards I have are a decade old and still working fine with blobs. That support cycle is long enough to over come any FOSS FUD propaganda.

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                          • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                            The freedom of being able to run all my apps efficiently NOW > the freedom of 5 years down the road and still operating @ 1/2 speed. I rarely use cards on a daily basis that are over 2 years old. Still some of the cards I have are a decade old and still working fine with blobs. That support cycle is long enough to over come any FOSS FUD propaganda.
                            So we have a different view-point of freedom, k no problem, no point in fighting over it, when you just want a good driver and donīt care about opnesource/freesoftware go ahead use windows or buy a nvidia card and you will be happy. I want to have control over my life, if I as example are starting a company and maybe am successful, maybe I could pay 1 or 2 persons to make the driver better or include one thing that I wish, ok in grafics-drivers that seems to be always big work, but the point is the same. And -> I <- donīt trust companys at all because their goal is to sell stuff to us, so if they are done with that, they have no point to give support after that. Also nvidia could be bought by some other company lets say oracle or sony or whatever, this company could than say we want to spare money and we dont or less often release new drivers for linux because we think thats not worth it. They could even say we donīt release a newer driver at all.

                            Companys donīt have interest to do good stuff, they kill kittens or fish the sea empty if that gives them money. I want the control over the stuff I buy. Even if thats in a theoretical way because I am not a kernel-driver-developer. But I know there exist people that have the same goals that I have and if AMD shuts down their opensource strategy, the driver will become better without them. At least for the cards that are out now.

                            If you are trust in nvidia go ahead be happy with them. I have no problem with that.

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                            • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                              The freedom of being able to run all my apps efficiently NOW > the freedom of 5 years down the road and still operating @ 1/2 speed. I rarely use cards on a daily basis that are over 2 years old. Still some of the cards I have are a decade old and still working fine with blobs. That support cycle is long enough to over come any FOSS FUD propaganda.
                              You know, this very argument is also valid when comparing Windows with Linux. Just sayin'.

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                              • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                                Have you ever tried using Maya, Pro/E, or any GPGPU with free drivers? I won't even go into video decoding.

                                In short, if you wish to purchase a card for future support that may if your lucky achieve 50-60% of the speed of a blob, sacrifice features, decreased efficiency, 3-5 years after your initial purchase then all the more power to you. Not everybody has that money to waste.
                                The free drivers are meant for home users. Home users don't use applications that cost $xxxxx, with strict hardware and software certification requirements.

                                That should be rather obvious.

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