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  • #31
    April fools!

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    • #32
      Well, I was more referring to driver blobs, but alright. Yikes, that's a lot of commercial proprietary software. All within a Linux environment? Can't see the advantage of a GNU userland with a Linux kernel supporting that weight of software, but alright. Whatever boats your float!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by synthil View Post
        Well, I was more referring to driver blobs, but alright. Yikes, that's a lot of commercial proprietary software. All within a Linux environment? Can't see the advantage of a GNU userland with a Linux kernel supporting that weight of software, but alright. Whatever boats your float!

        I didn't even mention the apps I regularly use in wine.

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        • #34
          It's really no different then running a opensource app (or drivers) on a closed system, you use what works best for you.

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          • #35
            Purity contest:

            Code:
            VRMS(1)
            
            NAME
            vrms - report of installed non-free software
            
            SYNOPSIS
            vrms [OPTION] ...
            
            DESCRIPTION
            This program began as an attempt to create a "virtual Richard
            M. Stallman" for Debian GNU/Linux.  Thus the choice of name.
            Code:
            yotambien@debian~$ vmrs
                           Non-free packages installed on debian
            
            celestia-common-nonfree   Non-free datafiles for Celestia, a real-time visual sp
            firmware-ipw2x00          Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and
            firmware-linux            Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kerne
            firmware-linux-nonfree    Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kerne
            ion3                      tiling tabbed window manager designed for keyboard use
            opera                     The Opera Web Browser
            ozerocdoff                An improved ZeroCD switching utility
            skype                     Skype
            sun-java5-bin             Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architectu
            sun-java5-jre             Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architectu
            sun-java6-bin             Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture
            sun-java6-jre             Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture
            unrar                     Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
            usb-modeswitch            mode switching tool for controlling "flip flop" USB de
            virtualbox-guest-addition guest additions iso image for VirtualBox
            
                           Contrib packages installed on debian
            
            ion3-scripts              user-contributed add-ons to the Ion 3 window manager
            mathematica-fonts         Installer of Mathematica fonts
            msttcorefonts             transitional dummy package
            ttf-mathematica4.1        transitional dummy package
            ttf-mscorefonts-installer Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
            Code:
             15 non-free packages, 0.8% of 1769 installed packages.
              5 contrib packages, 0.3% of 1769 installed packages.
            It doesn't pick up manual installations such as GoogleEarth, Acroread, an old VMware VM I've got lying around and some scientific package. All in all, I'm pretty pure. About 98.7% pure according to (virtual) Richard Stallman ; )

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            • #36
              WINE? Now that is hilarious. I'd hardly say Wine works 'best' for anyone. It's a compromise, borne out of open-source adventurism, one that works well for most people, but certainly not 'best'.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                And in perspective people that have done more then either one of them put together also come from a proprietary background, Gates and Wozniak.
                In my world, the "how" and "why" are not irrelevant when judging somebodys work. I'm not denying anybodys right to personal gain; yet, somehow, I value selfless contributions higher.

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                • #38
                  what a load of crap those words about "shades of grey" stripped of context at best, especially, told right after Linus himself forced nouveau developers to put their work into kernel promptly, starting all that.

                  probably he was really pissed about people who bug-report from "tainted kernel"

                  and if you want to get all juicy bits from F/OSS community and crack it with some proprietary binary on all system layers - you are not a progmatic with "effective system", you are hypocrite with personalized cracked up system clinged up by nails and shivel

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by trepo View Post
                    I value selfless contributions higher.

                    Maybe you should look at their foundations then and what they have done with their fortunes.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by dfx. View Post
                      what a load of crap those words about "shades of grey" stripped of context at best, especially, told right after Linus himself forced nouveau developers to put their work into kernel promptly, starting all that.

                      probably he was really pissed about people who bug-report from "tainted kernel"

                      and if you want to get all juicy bits from F/OSS community and crack it with some proprietary binary on all system layers - you are not a progmatic with "effective system", you are hypocrite with personalized cracked up system clinged up by nails and shivel
                      The "shades of grey" was not taken out of context at all. Linus referred to that when several kernel devs decided to try a coo and force Linus to completely blacklist any blob driver. Thankfully his more rational stand still holds.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by synthil View Post
                        Then use their software. What's the point of using Linux, a clearly inferior solution to proprietary ones such as Windows 7 and Mac OS X?

                        Linux is considered a cheap, superior solution where server platforms are concerned. Easy to deploy, secure, very light, and gets things done. But on a desktop platform? It's a liability.

                        I love Linux, I love the open-source community (you're right, which Stallman has provided a hell of a lot for, even if he is rather deranged). If I wanted the best desktop experience (and indeed the best 3D experience), then I'd migrate to Apple software. If I wanted the best 3D gaming experience, then I'd migrate to Windows. But I don't.

                        How can you maintain this glorification of proprietary software while still clinging to Linux? Why use desktop-oriented FOSS at all?
                        There are a lot of reasons, specially if you live outside USA.
                        • Here, in Chile, a license of Windows 7 Home Premium can cost one third of one family's income. And Chile is a middle-income country. Please, imagine African families. Would you buy a license of Windows if it costs $4,000?. In purchasing power, it's something like that for a lot of families here. And we can't afford anything Apple-made (the most basic iMac can cost here $2,000, thanks to the marvel of freight, and that doesn't include the translation into purchasing power). So, our choices are Linux and Windows XP Unattended Edition (a very popular pirate distribution of cracked Windows and a lot of cracked software). And as you may know, that's illegal. We need Linux in the desktop.
                        • How can you develop a software industry, in a developing country, with proprietary software? In the Windows world, you must update yourself or die. In Linux world, you can learn C and be a powerful developer for years to come. Obsolescence isn't an issue with Linux. We need free software, so developers can study the code, learn to code, and code their own solutions. With five Windows' licenses you can cover the wage of a full time developer here, so it's cheaper too for our industry. We need Linux in the desktop.
                        • How can you respect the rights of your people? I'm doing my thesis to be a lawyer, and, really, open source is, like a Peruvian deputy said, a need for a State respectful of human rights. In Brazil, the voting system is electronic and powered by free software. A government entity holds the source code, and anyone can request a copy and review the whole system. Tell that to Diebold. For electronic government, and for a strain of savings along all the not-so-well-funded government offices here, we NEED Linux on the desktop.
                        • How can you introduce your children into the world of computers? For the price of four Windows Starter licenses, you can build a computer here. So, every four computers here you can have a fifth one with the savings, perfect for a country with a computers deficit. And, since the epoch of Windows XP Angelical, BioWindows and the like is fading thanks to Microsoft, we'll start to see massive Linux defections very soon. WE NEED LINUX IN THE DESKTOP.

                        I know that NVidia's is a less than ideal solution, but it's a good solution, because NVidia is enabling a lot of free software to work at its fullest. They maintain a good working Linux driver, and in exchange, every computer I have has a NVidia graphic system. And don't forget their driver is free (as in price), so they aren't charging a dime for it. And that makes all the difference for us, people who lives in a country less developed than your beloved USA.

                        If you want serious 3D gaming, please, forget about the computer and buy a console. They come with the same kind of DRM that PC games, so, there's almost no difference. Maybe better graphics, but if you are into that, buy yourself a PS3. Gaming is not cheap. And NVidia efforts can convince a lot of independent game writers to write their games also for Linux, make them free software (as in freedom) and release them. For one, I seriously doubt that Nexuiz could exist if the blob released by NVidia hadn't been released at all.

                        NVidia has started the Linux gaming trend. And we must thank them for that. Let the Nouveau team have the torch of the reverse engineering efforts, and recognize the nv driver as a useless piece of crap that, thanks to God, is now dead.

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                        • #42
                          I haven't used an nivdia blob in 6 months. This would have upset me if it were 2008.

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                          • #43
                            That was well put, Alejandro! Thanks for sharing your opinion in an articulated fashion. I enjoyed reading it.

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                            • #44
                              I cant for the life of me see why people have a problem with nVidia's descision.

                              I think the results from the last Phoronix graphics survey speak for them selves. Do the numbers. How many people use Linux? How many of those use nVidia? Of those nVidia users, how many use the open source driver?

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                              • #45
                                Nvidia are liars! You can not trust such a company.

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