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  • What Will Happen To xf86-video-nv In 2010?

    Phoronix: What Will Happen To xf86-video-nv In 2010?

    Thanks to the surprise push this morning of the Nouveau driver for the Linux 2.6.33 kernel, this free software, reverse-engineered NVIDIA driver stack is on its way to being used in a lot more Linux systems and distributions. The xf86-video-nouveau X.Org driver will still need to have a release in the coming months, but in 2010 it looks like this driver stack will be working its way into many more Linux distributions...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=Nzc5OA

  • #2
    Share with us what you think NVIDIA will end up doing in this situation.
    They'll stop supporting Linux altogether.



    Add: On a more serious note, I guess they'll continue to support their stripped version until most people and companies has moved on to 2.6.33.
    Last edited by Silverthorn; 12-11-2009, 05:53 PM.

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    • #3
      Remember, they said they would like something functioning that would require the least amount of maintenance going forward.

      If contributing to nouveau requires extra development time over nv, then they will most likely continue updating nv and ignore what nouveau does, even if nv is no longer packaged with modern distributions anymore.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Silverthorn View Post
        They'll stop supporting Linux altogether.

        nVidia would have to be quite stupid to do that. A lot of their biggest customers use nVidia graphics chips with Linux to do advanced 3D rendering.

        I think it's more likely to be this:
        Originally posted by Phoronix
        NVIDIA continues adding basic mode-setting support for new GPUs to this driver knowing that it is not widely being used, but that the Nouveau developers will likely look over this code for possible information in supporting new ASICs under their driver (although most of the Nouveau driver is developed through clean-room reverse engineering of the NVIDIA binary driver). This is the approach NVIDIA would use if they wish to not be associated at all with the Nouveau project.
        However, I would like to see them actually commit support for nouveau and actually help them along. I'm now the unfortunate owner of an nVidia card, and I have a vested interest in seeing nouveau get more complete support.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by King InuYasha View Post
          nVidia would have to be quite stupid to do that. A lot of their biggest customers use nVidia graphics chips with Linux to do advanced 3D rendering.

          I think it's more likely to be this:


          However, I would like to see them actually commit support for nouveau and actually help them along. I'm now the unfortunate owner of an nVidia card, and I have a vested interest in seeing nouveau get more complete support.
          I wasn't really being serious when I wrote that.

          I would be great if they stated to support the nouveau driver. That would result in more people being able to (and motivated to) develop on the gallium3d state trackers.

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          • #6
            end of 2007 amd-buy-ati opensource-driver

            end of 2007 amd-buy-ati and have a plan for making a opensource-driver.

            i switch from Nvidia to an amd grafic card in 2007!


            if free people, if we wana peace, software peace of Freedome, Nvidia must DIE!



            Die Nvidia i hope you DIE!!!!

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            • #7
              I think they will just stop any opensource effort. NVIDIA only cares about their proprietary driver. The opensource driver is only there so that Linux boxes with NVIDIA hardware will at least get to the login prompt. When Nouveau does that (and more), there's no need to waste resources.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                end of 2007 amd-buy-ati and have a plan for making a opensource-driver.

                i switch from Nvidia to an amd grafic card in 2007!


                if free people, if we wana peace, software peace of Freedome, Nvidia must DIE!



                Die Nvidia i hope you DIE!!!!
                So you hope ATI gets a monopoly. That's real smart isn't it. But saying peace and freedom comes from the extermination of others is not a new concept to your country is it?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by damentz View Post
                  Remember, they said they would like something functioning that would require the least amount of maintenance going forward.

                  If contributing to nouveau requires extra development time over nv, then they will most likely continue updating nv and ignore what nouveau does, even if nv is no longer packaged with modern distributions anymore.
                  But WHY would they continue to support and maintain this rather old crappy driver?

                  Nouveau probably would be at the point where it's like where the ATI OSS radeon driver is now.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
                    But WHY would they continue to support and maintain this rather old crappy driver?

                    Nouveau probably would be at the point where it's like where the ATI OSS radeon driver is now.
                    Quite simply to have a quick and dirty same day offering for base level support without having to worry about nouveau eventually trying to provide features that they may not want to have in a opensource solution. So they can either maintain the status quo or submit patches that may drastically alter nouveau's offering. Right now their cost and resources spent in the opensource solution is minimal.

                    I would be surprised for example when Fermi debuts that nouveau will be in any shape to handle it being that it is a radical departure from previous generations of chips. nv and nvidia blob support are more then likely going to have same day or near same day support.
                    Last edited by deanjo; 12-11-2009, 07:50 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                      Quite simply to have a quick and dirty same day offering for base level support without having to worry about nouveau eventually trying to provide features that they may not want to have in a opensource solution. So they can either maintain the status quo or submit patches that may drastically alter nouveau's offering. Right now their cost and resources spent in the opensource solution is minimal.
                      They'd better improve it enough to make it worthwhile...nv does not support the newest cards at the moment.

                      If nouveau does reach the level where it's feature complete then I'd say give nv the ol' heave ho

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
                        They'd better improve it enough to make it worthwhile...nv does not support the newest cards at the moment.

                        If nouveau does reach the level where it's feature complete then I'd say give nv the ol' heave ho
                        I don't know, I kind of like how nouveau is developed right now without any input from nvidia after seeing how people screaming for specs to the ATI hardware and then expecting ATI to do the development for them after providing them, give an inch they then expect a mile. Ironically most of the screamers are the same people that couldn't tell the difference between a header file and a .c file.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                          I don't know, I kind of like how nouveau is developed right now without any input from nvidia after seeing how people screaming for specs to the ATI hardware and then expecting ATI to do the development for them after providing them, give an inch they then expect a mile. Ironically most of the screamers are the same people that couldn't tell the difference between a header file and a .c file.
                          Regardless of uninformed opinions, ATI documentation has certainly helped move development faster and primary development on the Radeon driver and noone is waiting on ATI to do all the development. Nouveau development is moving at a amazing rate but certainly shackled by the lack of good documentation.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
                            Regardless of uninformed opinions, ATI documentation has certainly helped move development faster and primary development on the Radeon driver and noone is waiting on ATI to do all the development. Nouveau development is moving at a amazing rate but certainly shackled by the lack of good documentation.
                            But if it isn't one thing, it would be another. Just be glad we even have any development going on in the nouveau driver. Yell all you want, but nothing will get done. All they will say is something to the effect of the following infuriating phrase: "Contributions welcome"

                            To me, the nouveau driver is old news. What WOULD be big news is information on nouveau's Gallium drivers that add 3D support to nouveau.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
                              Regardless of uninformed opinions, ATI documentation has certainly helped move development faster and primary development on the Radeon driver and noone is waiting on ATI to do all the development. Nouveau development is moving at a amazing rate but certainly shackled by the lack of good documentation.
                              For all the years of yelling, ATI/AMD should have had to do nothing but provide the specs. You do realize that it is the "informed" that provide the "uninformed" with the idea that was all that was needed. Where would the opensource ATI drivers be without ATI's code?

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