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  • #46
    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    Try to play HD content in linux on a laptop with a non-vdpau capable system and then play it on a vdpau system. I dare you to compare the battery life and playback experience. Same goes with HTPC's where efficient quiet cooling is desired where playback of HD content as well as doing a plethora of other tasks such as realtime recording during HD playback. Such a task is well beyond the capability of non accelerated HD playback but is perfectly capable of doing so with a low end dual core (single core if not encoding to HD) and a vdpau card.
    Dude seriously :-) Why would I unplug my laptop from the power supply when seeing a movie? With my power supply plugged in with my core 2 duo cpu, I am completely satisfied with the movie experience.

    What I am more concerned about, is my ability to switch my plasma tv on and off as I want with xrandr.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by phoronix View Post
      - NVIDIA begins contributing basic support for new hardware to the Nouveau driver. This, of course, would be ideal.
      How's that "ideal" ?

      You know what ideal ? Specs !
      This is called "realistic".

      Originally posted by phoronix View Post
      - NVIDIA just outright quits committing any code at all to the xf86-video-nv driver and it goes the way of the XGI Linux driver and others.
      - NVIDIA just provides no open-source contributions at all for new hardware.
      And the difference between those two is ... what exactly ?

      nvidia should stop being assholes and start contributing to nouveau\mesa at fullest and even change their business-model view otherwise it's going down. they already lost their chipset market, from what i heard.

      it's counter-reassuring to hear ati-people saying that they looking at open-source video drivers for their hardware as nvidia-people saying they look at xf86-video-nv (like it little bitch or something for them). BUT they Provide developers with abilities, unlike nvidia.

      Blobs are Must Die as "mustdie" and nouveau is a small step for video industry but huge leap for man-kind in the faces of Free Community, at least.

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      • #48
        @MostAwesomeDude

        Debian usually shipped with all needed codecs - only Ubuntu does not ship all needed package by default. That's the extra funny thing with Kubuntu: it has amarok which you could in theory use to play web radio streams but without mp3 support you hear just nothing live (when you don't install the needed package). decss is missing but Debian added a script to the official kaffeine package to install it. The Debian mplayer package contains a script to install win binary codecs (which are usually obsolete when you use mplayer svn, informer mainly needed for newer types of wma).

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        • #49
          Originally posted by tball View Post
          Dude seriously :-) Why would I unplug my laptop from the power supply when seeing a movie? With my power supply plugged in with my core 2 duo cpu, I am completely satisfied with the movie experience.

          What I am more concerned about, is my ability to switch my plasma tv on and off as I want with xrandr.
          Why would you buy a laptop to have it plugged in all the time. They make desktops / nettops / etc for that which give you more capabilities for a lower price and cost of ownership.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by deanjo View Post
            If you don't understand sarcasm dude I can't help you.

            You honestly think my goal with that mail is to get source from nvidia?

            Dave.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
              Hi Dave

              I'm sorry but I feel compelled to disagree. With the advent of youtube, the likes of hulu and netflix in the US and iPlayer and 4OD (and the rest) in the UK more and more people are watching legal video on their computers

              Granted this is mostly all via flash but tear free movie playing is very important. Not just to end users but to vendors that want to ship linux based devices as front ends to these services

              Regards

              Mike
              So its just flash acceleration you want, I don't think flash supports vaapi or vdpau yet. Flash accel is done via GL, GL support is something we are working on. Again I'm sure lots of ppl want to believe they are using vdpau to watch legal content, but I'm guessing they are ripping shit left right and center. But again I've got a distro that can't ship anything to decode closed formats, so its just not worth the effort until that problem is resolved in some useful way.

              We may start putting time into Theora decoding on GPU hw at some point.

              Btw I'm sure if all the ppl who have real use cases for this stuff cared enough, at least one volunteer community developer would have shown up to do it, but I'm guessing they are too busy watching rips of 30 Rock or something to bother.

              Dave.

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              • #52
                So people watch ripped shit... who cares? It's everyday life.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                  Why would you buy a laptop to have it plugged in all the time. They make desktops / nettops / etc for that which give you more capabilities for a lower price and cost of ownership.
                  Core 2 Duo laptops are not meant to be used on your lap

                  They are more like portale desktops.

                  I've always said that if I'd buy a laptop with a size larger than a netbook would buy a MacBook and install Linux on it. MacBooks are real laptops.

                  I mean... what good is a laptop of you can't place it on top of your lap? All laptops out there today have ventilation holes in the bottom. MacBooks are the only laptops out there that have the ventilation holes on the top.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by airlied View Post
                    So its just flash acceleration you want, I don't think flash supports vaapi or vdpau yet. Flash accel is done via GL, GL support is something we are working on. Again I'm sure lots of ppl want to believe they are using vdpau to watch legal content, but I'm guessing they are ripping shit left right and center. But again I've got a distro that can't ship anything to decode closed formats, so its just not worth the effort until that problem is resolved in some useful way.

                    We may start putting time into Theora decoding on GPU hw at some point.

                    Btw I'm sure if all the ppl who have real use cases for this stuff cared enough, at least one volunteer community developer would have shown up to do it, but I'm guessing they are too busy watching rips of 30 Rock or something to bother.

                    Dave.
                    Or maybe because of attitudes like that they see no point in doing anything. And ripping content itself isn't illegal. It's breaking the DRM in the process that is illegal. It is quite easy to preserve the DRM when ripping it.

                    Also, perhaps I record TV shows from my TV Tuner, again, VDPAU/VA-API support would still be useful.

                    The fact you are assuming illegal usage of such features is horrible and quite frankly, hogwash.

                    Your attitudes regarding this whole thing make it seem like nobody on the developer side sees a legal value to it. I guess this really exemplifies the industrial/corporate focus that most Linux development has. I remember a few years ago there was a guy that focused entirely on making patches that made Linux work better on the desktop.

                    I don't know what happened to those patches today, but I do know that at the time, they were scoffed at because nearly everybody focused entirely on the server platforms. So what if Linux can scale to innumerable CPUs? Linux seems to suck at handling audio right now, and there is horrible OpenGL performance. And that guy doesn't work on the kernel anymore.

                    We're only now addressing these issues. Developers shooting down the validity of VDPAU/VA-API, you suck right now.

                    GRRR *growls and grabs hair*

                    This IS RIDICULOUS...

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                    • #55
                      Btw. using tools like video download helper you can get lots of flv/mp4 container with h264 with ease...

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by King InuYasha View Post
                        So what if Linux can scale to innumerable CPUs? Linux seems to suck at handling audio right now, and there is horrible OpenGL performance. And that guy doesn't work on the kernel anymore.

                        We're only now addressing these issues. Developers shooting down the validity of VDPAU/VA-API, you suck right now.
                        Did nobody learn anything from Microsoft's success? People tend to use at home that which they use at work. Oh well...

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by airlied View Post
                          If you don't understand sarcasm dude I can't help you.

                          You honestly think my goal with that mail is to get source from nvidia?

                          Dave.
                          If you can't be a professional in your field I can't help you either. A real professional would not have even said something so juvenile knowing the person they were speaking too couldn't change policy. You asked for proof, I provided it in spades. Grow up Dave, show some maturity and professionalism and maybe you will get some credibility associated with your name again but it will take a long time given your past antics.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by sundown View Post
                            So people watch ripped shit... who cares? It's everyday life.
                            Dave is pulling the company bullshit line that is quoted on the basis that the USA is the center of the universe and the DMCA covers it all despite the fact that it isn't the center of the universe and it only applies in a anal retentive country (politics wise) that couldn't see the sunshine if they dig 6 feet to get their heads out of their ass.

                            They are almost as bad as Toronto residents in that respect.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                              Did nobody learn anything from Microsoft's success? People tend to use at home that which they use at work. Oh well...
                              People almost never actually USE servers, so WHAT GOOD is it?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                                Dave is pulling the company bullshit line that is quoted on the basis that the USA is the center of the universe and the DMCA covers it all despite the fact that it isn't the center of the universe and it only applies in a anal retentive country (politics wise) that couldn't see the sunshine if they dig 6 feet to get their heads out of their ass.

                                They are almost as bad as Toronto residents in that respect.
                                Geez, I'm glad I don't live in Toronto.

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