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  • Originally posted by ovoskeuiks View Post
    I'm not suggesting that advocating of open source software isn't constructive, however might I humbly suggest you attempt to be a little less abrasive in your approach



    Comments like this are at best childish and most likely offensive to someone. I know/hope you're directing this at 'Novell' as a corporate entity and not the individuals who might work on the open drivers in your proposed grand scheme of ATI openness but if you want people to see things your way you might try to take the high road and focus on the facts and issues rather than resorting to statements like that.
    I certainly respect your view. It has it's place and it's purpose. However so does does mine, so the least you can do is respect the views that I hold. You dont have to agree with them, but acknowledge that they have a valid place.

    And by the way statements like that are --exactly-- what need to be said, and they need to be said directly to Novell by ATi right now. Today. And that is putting it mildly to say the very least.

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    • So, when are we getting a functional driver with 3D support? I mean, since ATi is possibly never going to fix the flickering/tearing bugs in newer cards...

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      • Are you talking about the open source driver ?

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        • Originally posted by nphoronix View Post
          So, when are we getting a functional driver with 3D support? I mean, since ATi is possibly never going to fix the flickering/tearing bugs in newer cards...
          If you are talking about flickering when watching a DVD, make sure you are not running Compiz and using opengl to render the video. Compiz and opengl applications don't work yet for any card (Nvidia or ATi etc...)...

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          • Originally posted by oblidor View Post
            If you are talking about flickering when watching a DVD, make sure you are not running Compiz and using opengl to render the video. Compiz and opengl applications don't work yet for any card (Nvidia or ATi etc...)...
            Yes, my point indeed was about my older NVIDIA 8800GTS having compiz enabled AND playing videos without flicker/tear and stuff, but my 3870 fails to do that, even with opengl (although at least opengl plays as it should with compiz disabled). However, I bought ATi for a reason, and I'd really like that xv extension finally supported.

            And yeah, I was asking about the state of the open source drivers, since ATI doesn't seem to want to fix it anytime soon. From what I remember, the R600 3D documents should have been handed in by now, right?

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            • Originally posted by nphoronix View Post
              And yeah, I was asking about the state of the open source drivers, since ATI doesn't seem to want to fix it anytime soon. From what I remember, the R600 3D documents should have been handed in by now, right?
              Bridgman should be one of those working on it... he should know at what point they are

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              • The first two passes through IP review for 6xx/7xx documentation failed. I can't really go into the details because that would kinda defeat the purpose of keeping some stuff secret, but potential risks were raised which we did not have answers for at the time.

                I believe we have worked through all of those issues now and I am going to kick off another review pass this week.

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                • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                  The first two passes through IP review for 6xx/7xx documentation failed. I can't really go into the details because that would kinda defeat the purpose of keeping some stuff secret, but potential risks were raised which we did not have answers for at the time.

                  I believe we have worked through all of those issues now and I am going to kick off another review pass this week.
                  How long lasts one of these reviews ?
                  One week, one month ?

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                  • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                    The first two passes through IP review for 6xx/7xx documentation failed. I can't really go into the details because that would kinda defeat the purpose of keeping some stuff secret, but potential risks were raised which we did not have answers for at the time.

                    I believe we have worked through all of those issues now and I am going to kick off another review pass this week.
                    Thats interesting. Thanks for working so hard on this documentation. I'm glad to see progress is still being made.

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                    • Originally posted by lucky_ View Post
                      How long lasts one of these reviews ?
                      One week, one month ?
                      That's hard to predict. Depends on the issues, and whether, for example, there are things like third-party interests involved.

                      Some of these things can take a long time only to find they can't be fixed, especially where there is third-party involvement. I was involved in one where negotiations went on for a year before the other side decided they didn't want to play, during which our own project was on largely on hold pending resolution.

                      They offered an NDA that would have let us continue to develop pending resolution of release issues, but if we didn't get permission in the end that effort would have been lost and our devs tainted by exposure to the source so we declined and put the devs onto other projects. After awhile I got fired^h^h^h^hlaid off because without the project I didn't have a function.

                      It would have been cheaper to develop an independent solution, but the lawyers kept telling us an agreement with the other was imminent. I now believe they were just stringing us along in an attempt to get us to abandon the project. It worked.
                      Last edited by rbmorse; 09-24-2008, 10:33 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by rbmorse View Post
                        That's hard to predict. Depends on the issues, and whether, for example, there are things like third-party interests involved.

                        Some of these things can take a long time only to find they can't be fixed, especially where there is third-party involvement. I was involved in one where negotiations went on for a year before the other side decided they didn't want to play, during which our own project was on largely on hold pending resolution.

                        They offered an NDA that would have let us continue to develop pending resolution of release issues, but if we didn't get permission in the end that effort would have been lost and our devs tainted by exposure to the source so we declined and put the devs onto other projects. After awhile I got fired^h^h^h^hlaid off because without the project I didn't have a function.

                        It would have been cheaper to develop an independent solution, but the lawyers kept telling us an agreement with the other was imminent. I now believe they were just stringing us along in an attempt to get us to abandon the project. It worked.
                        MMh let's hope it won't be that crappy...

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                        • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                          The first two passes through IP review for 6xx/7xx documentation failed. I can't really go into the details because that would kinda defeat the purpose of keeping some stuff secret, but potential risks were raised which we did not have answers for at the time.

                          I believe we have worked through all of those issues now and I am going to kick off another review pass this week.
                          so... let's just hope.. right? or you think it will be possible that this time it will be ok?

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                          • I think chances are good that this will be the one, but I don't want to sound too confident and jinx things. We've been a couple of weeks away for quite some time now

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                            • At least there will be some R6xx/R7xx support already at the time the documents are being released. The CS-branch of RadeonHD looks like it'll be merged to master anytime now, too (can you comment on that one, bridgman?).

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                              • THe CS branch is basically a clean up and reorganization of the command submission code that was inherited from radeon. It's not specific to any particular chip.

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