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  • #16
    Fascinating how this article has attracted the nvidia trolls.

    Poor creatures, the only joy they get is from bitching about AMD. But then it is not like they have anything to contribute to linux or open source.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by teeedubb View Post
      Huh? They do work and most importantly - they work very well.
      Not for me and even if it did the performance at the moment is quite poor.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by log0 View Post
        Fascinating how this article has attracted the nvidia trolls.

        Poor creatures, the only joy they get is from bitching about AMD. But then it is not like they have anything to contribute to linux or open source.
        Gotta meet a daily quota for how much FUD you spread to get paid by NVIDIA apparently

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Espionage724 View Post
          I find that most people who complain about AMD's drivers usually have no idea what they're doing with their computer, and just blame what the bandwagon does.
          Thats not a arrogant statement at all.

          I've had little issue with AMD and their drivers on my computers. Meanwhile, some people will swear up and down AMD's drivers caused their GPU to explode or some bs whenever they touched the GPU with a screwdriver or intentionally overvolted/clocked it.
          That doesnt really mean much because no one knows what you use your computer for.

          I tend to take driver complaints on any hardware or platform from anyone with a grain of salt. Unless an issue can be explained on a technical level (like "graphics corruption on mouse pointer on Unity is due to the GLX extension ARB_Extention not being implemented correctly on radeonsi hardware"; note that's a random nonsense example), I'll assume the reporter is improperly placing blame somewhere, or just spreading FUD.
          So youre saying the article and the devs mentioned in it are 'improperly placing blame somewhere, or just spreading FUD.'?

          As for a personal experience, the open-source graphics drivers work well on my desktop 7850 and 7660G laptop (has a 7670M dGPU but I don't use it atm). Months ago, Catalyst did have slightly (slightly being between 5-15 FPS) better OpenGL performance, but also comes with it's share of issues (like my laptop only having about a 50/50 chance at starting up properly).
          So what was the technical reason behind these bugs?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by teeedubb View Post
            No, but youre missing a few things:
            Fact: fglrx is garbage. eg xvba + steamos
            Say thanks to nvidia with their "the way it's meant to be played" stuff. Fglrx follows specs more closely than nvidia but developers just don't care (see for example recent commits to mesa where Marek made quirks for Unigine software which do not follow specs but "just works" on nvidia).
            Fact: Again, you dont buy a top tier gpu in the hope that it will work well some day down the line...
            Use fglrx. It just works. I've been using fglrx for more than 5 years and it worked most of the time. Yes, there are certain problems but at least it never crashed my kernel at random times.
            Fact: nvidia support their gpus for longer than amd and imho past the cards relevance
            Tell me moar about it. I have 9600GT m in a laptop and you know what? Nvidia has only legacy support for it. Moreover there are kernel crashes from time to time which appeared some time ago and which nvidia is not going to fix anyways (there was a lengthy thread in nvidia's forum).

            So all your facts are the same as MS's "get the facts".

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            • #21
              Originally posted by log0 View Post
              Fascinating how this article has attracted the nvidia trolls.

              Poor creatures, the only joy they get is from bitching about AMD. But then it is not like they have anything to contribute to linux or open source.
              Yeah I know - having a strong opinion automatically makes you a troll...

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              • #22
                again and again

                amd cards are great, the support... i give up from amd because of their drivers, ppl complain about nvidia, but nvidia put things working always not like amd

                fact:i want my hardware working,
                fact:you nvidia blob things work
                fact:is opensoure, no!!
                fact:i don't care, i want my hardware working!!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by teeedubb View Post
                  Thats not a arrogant statement at all.
                  I know it sounds pretty arrogant, but that's based on what I've seen personally. I've seen people complain of drivers causing them BSoD while they were overclocking, and dropping the OC fixed it. I've seen problems that were fixed with BIOS/VBIOS updates.

                  Originally posted by teeedubb View Post
                  That doesnt really mean much because no one knows what you use your computer for.
                  Was mainly used for gaming, but not so much nowadays.

                  Originally posted by teeedubb View Post
                  So youre saying the article and the devs mentioned in it are 'improperly placing blame somewhere, or just spreading FUD.'?
                  I wasn't trying to say that every claim of driver fault wasn't correct, but most that I've seen were something like above.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rikkinho View Post
                    amd cards are great, the support... i give up from amd because of their drivers, ppl complain about nvidia, but nvidia put things working always not like amd

                    fact:i want my hardware working,
                    fact:you nvidia blob things work
                    fact:is opensoure, no!!
                    fact:i don't care, i want my hardware working!!
                    You would sell your soul for a chocolate bar too. Just because you dont care doesnt mean other people do not care.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Rakot View Post
                      Say thanks to nvidia with their "the way it's meant to be played" stuff. Fglrx follows specs more closely than nvidia but developers just don't care (see for example recent commits to mesa where Marek made quirks for Unigine software which do not follow specs but "just works" on nvidia).
                      So youre saying gaming is better on amd.. but why did a company that is pushing linux gaming in a big way chose nvidia for their test machines? I doubt gabe just pulled that one out of his rear end... And lets move on from gaming, what about hq deinterlacers on my live tv streams? is amd up to spec in that department?

                      Use fglrx. It just works. I've been using fglrx for more than 5 years and it worked most of the time. Yes, there are certain problems but at least it never crashed my kernel at random times.
                      We must have used different versions of fglrx - when I got a 5770 the ubuntu desktop wasnt real glitchy with fglrx - but hey, it probably works well today (but it worked without issue with a nvidia card that very quickly rreplaced the 5770).

                      Tell me moar about it. I have 9600GT m in a laptop and you know what? Nvidia has only legacy support for it. Moreover there are kernel crashes from time to time which appeared some time ago and which nvidia is not going to fix anyways (there was a lengthy thread in nvidia's forum).
                      How do you think a amd card of same vintage would fare with fglrx?

                      So all your facts are the same as MS's "get the facts".[/QUOTE]

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                      • #26
                        use intel then

                        Originally posted by brad0 View Post
                        You would sell your soul for a chocolate bar too. Just because you dont care doesnt mean other people do not care.
                        intel is the only companie who provides good opensource drivers

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Rakot View Post
                          Say thanks to nvidia with their "the way it's meant to be played" stuff. Fglrx follows specs more closely than nvidia but developers just don't care (see for example recent commits to mesa where Marek made quirks for Unigine software which do not follow specs but "just works" on nvidia).
                          Unfortunately this theory doesn't work for FGLRX on Linux. Most of games that have problems with FGLRX does work well with both Nvidia proprietary and Intel / AMD / Nvidia open source drivers.

                          Some developers just recommend to use open source drivers instead of Catalyst.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by rikkinho View Post
                            amd cards are great, the support... i give up from amd because of their drivers, ppl complain about nvidia, but nvidia put things working always not like amd
                            Ah, guess my friend complaining about BSoD's occasionally on his NVIDIA laptop, and my near-flawless experience with AMD hardware is a fabrication of my imagination. Lets not also forget about the one or two separate incidents of NVIDIA WHQL-signed drivers on Windows that damaged GPUs

                            No OEM makes perfect drivers. Some people want to learn the hard way though. Please, head right over to NVIDIA if you think they're so flawless

                            Originally posted by rikkinho View Post
                            intel is the only companie who provides good opensource drivers
                            I can agree their open-source drivers on Linux are pretty ok, but I know first-hand their proprietary Windows drivers are a joke.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by blackshard View Post
                              So you get what? Another card that doesn't run on opensource stack and needs a closed blob...
                              At least support for an amd card will come sooner or later; forget it about nvidia.
                              Some time ago I hope AMD going revisit CAYMAN performance/support one day, but "who the hell want to use open source drivers with high-end GPU?" thing is actual not only for Hawaii.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by teeedubb View Post
                                Yeah I know - having a strong opinion automatically makes you a troll...
                                Well, it certainly seems you felt addressed by my comment. Think about it.

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