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  • AMD Athlon's R3 Graphics: RadeonSI Gallium3D vs. Catalyst

    Phoronix: AMD Athlon's R3 Graphics: RadeonSI Gallium3D vs. Catalyst

    For the past week now we have been extensively benchmarking AMD's new AM1 APUs with all the current models available to the public: the Sempron 2650 / 3850 and Athlon 5150 / 5350. All of our testing up to this point has been using an updated Linux kernel and Mesa for the open-source Linux graphics driver experience with these APU Radeon R3 Graphics. Today, we're looking at the performance of the open-source RadeonSI Gallium3D driver in multiple configurations compared to the proprietary Catalyst Linux driver.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=20178

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    Can we have a frame latency test or two? 2D benchmarks? That's what really matters when comparing Catalyst to RadeonSI/CI drivers since my Kabini APU laptop, which is essentially the same SoC as these APUs, has very sluggish desktop performance with Catalyst + Ubuntu 14.04, but with the open source drivers + kernel 3.14, the desktop and videos are smooth.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mmstick View Post
      Can we have a frame latency test or two? 2D benchmarks? That's what really matters when comparing Catalyst to RadeonSI/CI drivers since my Kabini APU laptop, which is essentially the same SoC as these APUs, has very sluggish desktop performance with Catalyst + Ubuntu 14.04, but with the open source drivers + kernel 3.14, the desktop and videos are smooth.
      Frame latency graphs are on a few of the results... 2D benchmarks will likely come in their own separate article.
      Michael Larabel
      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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      • #4
        Summary.
        Open drivers when running latest kernel mesa is 2-3 times faster than Ubuntu 14.04 stock.
        The latest open driver stack performed within 20% to 80% of Catalyst on 3D benchmarks.
        There were performance gains both from a newer kernel and from using the latest mesa.
        Micheal is planning to run some 2d tests on the same hardware.

        Opinion:
        As always, I'm impressed by the rate that the open drivers progress at, but it is obvious that for 3D tasks, this hardware's driver needs some more work.

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        • #5
          Do you have a clue why you had a DRI3 XCB error?

          DRI3 support isn't enabled for these cards both in Mesa and in the radeon DDX, so that's strange.


          I've made myself some benchmarks with my radeonsi card (hd7730m), and for unigine heave 4.0,
          I got last year a score of 234 (9.3 fps) with Catalyst.
          Now with recent Mesa and kernel 3.13, I get a score of 200, which is very close.

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          • #6
            Nice results, can't wait to see dGPU results in special with GTX750(Ti) with NVIDIA blob

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            • #7
              It would be interesting to see how 3.15 compares as well since that contains a number of memory management optimizations.

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              • #8
                Isn't 1080p high enough resolution where hyperz we would make a difference?

                Also, does anyone know what the gpumark tests triangles and pixbuf piano actually do?
                The former sounds like it is just creating a bunch of triangles, which, if done in the worst way, would seem to be a good indicator of how fast each driver can issue instructions. That might provide some kind of useful info into driver efficiency?

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                • #9
                  The triangle test is basically glxgears, it measures swap speed/cpu overhead/memcpy speed.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by liam View Post
                    Isn't 1080p high enough resolution where hyperz we would make a difference?

                    Also, does anyone know what the gpumark tests triangles and pixbuf piano actually do?
                    The former sounds like it is just creating a bunch of triangles, which, if done in the worst way, would seem to be a good indicator of how fast each driver can issue instructions. That might provide some kind of useful info into driver efficiency?
                    Dungeon showed massive performance boosts for hyperz at 1080p resolution. It makes a big difference on bandwidth limited platforms like this. Even at the lower resolutions i think it was 5-10%, which is a decent chunk of some of these results. Some of the memory optimizations in 3.15 and that curaga looked at could make a big difference on those tests that show 3 fps instead of 5 fps.

                    I believe triangle ends up the same as glxgears, which last i heard is basically limited by the latency rate of X commands in the DRI2 drivers, because it has a synchronous X command that blocks everything until it returns each time. DRI3 makes the call async which should speed it way up, comparable to the proprietary drivers. But i haven't actually seen any test results to confirm that.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by agd5f View Post
                      It would be interesting to see how 3.15 compares as well since that contains a number of memory management optimizations.
                      It is one frame worse in openarena . This is with Debian Sid, kernel 3.13, mesa 10.1, etc. hyperz enabled = 32 fps .

                      http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1...PL-OPENARENA67

                      With 3.15-rcs i have 31 fps, but missed to upload it

                      Originally posted by liam View Post
                      Isn't 1080p high enough resolution where hyperz we would make a difference?
                      Hyperz is always good to have, even in 1280x1024 it goes from 25 fps to 32 fps .
                      Last edited by dungeon; 04-15-2014, 03:58 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dungeon View Post
                        It is one frame worse in openarena . This is with Debian Sid, kernel 3.13, mesa 10.1, etc. hyperz enabled = 32 fps .

                        http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1...PL-OPENARENA67

                        With 3.15-rcs i have 31 fps, but missed to upload it



                        Hyperz is always good to have, even in 1280x1024 it goes from 25 fps to 32 fps .

                        Why not Mesa devel?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by przemoli View Post
                          Why not Mesa devel?
                          Because if i tested that yesterday, then you will probably ask why not with Marek's commits of today .

                          I am interested into looking if i can reproduce hyperz artifacts and lockups... but i can't found that yet .
                          Last edited by dungeon; 04-16-2014, 12:29 PM.

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