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  • #46
    Originally posted by Kivada View Post
    I tried being nice years ago, I gave up on that as it's less energy intensive on myself to be blunt instead of dancing around the subject. That is why it's called being blunt. It takes to much effort to be eloquent or tactful.
    I can't say that I dont understand the sentiment but, at a minimum, treat others as they treat you. If someone is being an ass, sure, be treat them the same, but if someone is being polite and engaging, please, act the same. It wastes no time. You don't need to dance around the subject (was the earlier question asking if I was genuinely blind? I assume not since then, I'd hope, you wouldn't be that insensitive. If the question was whether I am an idiot, well, you danced around that by asking if I'm blind) just say what you are trying to say. If you read what my posts I was responding to very specific points. One, that he doesn't include frame timings (he does, but not as you'd prefer them, but that wasn't what was said, or if it was, you were sufficiently unclear in your statement that you may as well have been, say, dancing around the issue...I won't mention that again The other point was that regardless of what you or I would like the site to be, it is what the site's owner/admin/writer says it is (well, obviously within reason and he doesn't claim something like "enter in all your personal data here to get your tax returns filed automatically by ME, the official site of the New IRS!"). The content he posts isn't really that much like a gaming site other than the benchmarks, and, as he says, the point of the benchmarks is to assess how well linux is progressing in whatever area is being tested, not the games themselves. Really, the games could be a blackbox that spits out a number/s, and what it acutally represents, and it would be just as useful.

    Larabel's frame timings aren't being measured at the video output, go look up how PCPerspective does their frame time tests as this is the gold standard.
    That's quite a bit of reading. You'll have to give me some time, but, without having read it, I can say that something needn't be the best to have worth. I haven't looked at larabel's code but he seems to be giving timings on a frame-by-frame basis (like FRAPs just started doing) rather than just screen capture. Given we that the drivers are open source you can always turn on debug and get the info straight from the driver (yeah, with overhead, but hopefully constant overhead for a given card). That should allow you to capture what pcper is trying to do but without using a separate computer (I haven't read it all yet so this is just what it looks like they are doing). I think this may be a case where oss has a benchmarking transparency advantage over any of the non-oss sites.


    Larabel could have a staff as well, if he actually tried to build a good site from the start instead of putting so many ads on it I had no choice but to use adblock just to make the site even readable, or do you not remember when the site didn't just have text that was mostly links back to previous Proronix articles but also had in line text ads filling in the gaps between those so that every page was just a pile of links, half of which if you accidentally placed the cursor over would open up into windows that would cover half of the page. Or how about the full page ads that would takeover the site floating over the page and wouldn't go away?

    It was crap like that of top of the bad reporting and bad netiquette(never citing sources of his articles and linking back to himself and only himself) that pisses me off about Larabel to this very day. When you question him about it you can see what he does, he complains about adblockers and says he only cares about the premium zealots. He should just shut the page down to all non premium members for a month then and see how well that goes for him.

    I long for the day someone else starts a new Linux hardware benchmarking site. Anyone have the time for it? Make a kickstarter and I'll be among your first contributors.
    I consider lwn the gold standard for linux sites (the H was great as well, but lwn has articles that no one could match). They've been around as long as I can remember and even with their fan base, and subsciptions, they don't have anywhere near the kind of resources you'd need for the kind work you're talking about, IMHO.
    Most of your criticisms I agree with. I'm pissed that he removed the popular in forums section from the main page (that's how I knew what to keep up with...despite some trolls, and fanboys, there are some good discussions on these boards, from time to time). I'm doubly pissed b/c I had just signed up for a subscription b/c he finally did a feature I was quite interested in. I'm triply pissed that I emailed him about all this and haven't received a response.
    Regardless he does what he can. He does seem like he works hard. If you'd like something in particular you should do it for the site b/c unless SteamBox catches on I don't think there's going to be much interest in what you want aside from what you see here.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by liam View Post
      I'm pissed that he removed the popular in forums section from the main page (that's how I knew what to keep up with...despite some trolls, and fanboys, there are some good discussions on these boards, from time to time).
      Does it show for you now? I've been tweaking it on and off since it was removed in the first place a while back, for getting most optimal discussions to be shown and also doing so efficiently on the database [why it was removed in the first place due to many queries on the home page with adding the comments link and still trying to maintain its speed].
      Michael Larabel
      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Michael View Post
        Does it show for you now? I've been tweaking it on and off since it was removed in the first place a while back, for getting most optimal discussions to be shown and also doing so efficiently on the database [why it was removed in the first place due to many queries on the home page with adding the comments link and still trying to maintain its speed].
        Still no. I don't know your requirements but I assume a low poll rate of ~5-10 min would still be too heavy?
        Thanks for the response.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by liam View Post
          Still no. I don't know your requirements but I assume a low poll rate of ~5-10 min would still be too heavy?
          Thanks for the response.
          Did you try clearing cookies or restarting browser? It's enabled right now and it's stable and has been on all day today (and will remain on since now it's in good shape). It should be on home page on right hand side, reading "Recent Discussions In The Forums". If it doesn't show up still for you, create a new thread please.
          Michael Larabel
          http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Michael View Post
            Did you try clearing cookies or restarting browser? It's enabled right now and it's stable and has been on all day today (and will remain on since now it's in good shape). It should be on home page on right hand side, reading "Recent Discussions In The Forums". If it doesn't show up still for you, create a new thread please.
            It works now. Surprising since firefox wasn't listing any cookies. Flash based?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by liam View Post
              It works now. Surprising since firefox wasn't listing any cookies. Flash based?
              No, not Flash based, but not sure what was going on for you since it wasn't showing... In general for site problems, forums are the easiest way to request/problems. That way it doesn't get lost in spam possibility, easy to see if other users report the same thing or request, etc. Thanks.
              Michael Larabel
              http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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              • #52
                Originally posted by liam View Post
                you danced around that by asking if I'm blind)
                As I stated in it, that it was a link to a previous post from a few weeks back when Schmidtbag kept insisting that the site wasn't gaming related in any way shape or form, hence the old screenshot, note the date in the corner.

                The FRAPS thing is just for the quick and dirty feedback it provides with whatever random game you are trying to run as well as the video screen capturing. I like to overclock and there are plenty of games and OSS driver tweaks that can make differences good and bad. It's most defiantly not a be all end all, but it doesn't have to be but having feedback on what your OC is doing for performance in x game as far as improvements and temps.

                It's also a shame Linux lost those 3rd party tools for GPU overclocking like Rivatuner and ATI Tray Tool. On Linux NV/ROclock where never that good and quite unstable up till the day they where abandoned. PTS is a poorman's version of GPU-Z and CPU-Z for system information not getting you half of the data that those give you.

                But yeah, we gotta hope that Steambox takes off, I'd love to have some good RPGs in the JRPG style, mecha in the Armored Core vein, fighting game in the Bushido Blade(tons of weapons, sprawling arenas and crippling and bleeding out wounding abilities, shank em' with a rapier or spear in the belly and knee and run away) or King Of Fighters 2D era styles, stealth combat in the Metal Gear Solid style and Rocksmith or similar real instrument game/tutor.

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