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  • #16
    Wow, currently i use an AMD processor / chipset, my next pc will definetly contain an intel cpu, because of the good onchip GPU driver support for linux!

    I think AMD already lost the CPU market somehow.. I heard something a 1,5 years ago, that most of the engeneers for the new cpu architecture left the company because of bad working conditions.. I think this is the root of the problem for AMD, they now just put more cores on a die and increase the clocking frequency / use smaller structures, this works well for 1-2 year but after that (now) good luck!

    I think AMD should concentrate on the GPU-Computing market, they deliver more raw computing power / watt, price than NVIDIA, their cards are pretty commonly used, still NVIDIA manages to get theire marketshare by providing a better platform (CUDA)...

    Hope next Intel CPU´s don´t get that expensive, but we can switch to ARM anyway in 2-3 years i think (linux users can). Thats not needed, but a ARM CPU is cheaper and the price is always a big factor in consumer electronics.. (i think thats the reason why window tablets are damed to fail with this 80$ licences / device). Why not buy an android tablet thats 100$ cheaper

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    • #17
      The question you are not asking is whether they lost or gained money (short term, long term) with this move.

      I think that they certainly gained in the short term (or they wouldn't close it) and possibly also in long term. Just laying off 20 developers gives them additional ~1-2 mln EUR/year to spend somewhere else, not to mention other costs involved in running a facility in Germany, which is neither a cheap country nor a tax haven. AMD CPUs won't stop working with Linux and there will always be people who they'll be able to contract (or who will volunteer for free) to add critical missing bits.

      If we want to "punish" them financially, we could stop buying their hardware, but in fact this is a lose-lose situation. Linux users turning away from AMD stuff will disincentivize them to support Linux, while loss of our money (if it turns out to be noticeable for them, which I'm not certain of) will only make them lay off more people working on non- or less-profitable stuff.

      Better think about what *you* could do to help others make money with Linux (e.g. pay for Linux version of software? Buy stuff with Ubuntu shops/SC?). If Linux becomes profitable enough, no one will be cutting short on its support ;-)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by oliver View Post
        Why would they stop linux support when they just said they'd fully support coreboot. Granted that's not linux but still.
        They said that quite a while back under different management and with a lot more engineering talent then what they have now. There hasn't been any new AMD coreboot work for quite a while.

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        • #19
          http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11...rman_osrc_lab/

          Originally posted by Michael Silverman (AMD)
          As announced during our last financial earnings results on October 18th 2012,
          AMD is restructuring its business and building a more efficient operating model.
          As consequence and as part of a global reduction in workforce, AMD GmbH is closing
          its operations in Dresden, including its Operating System Research Center (OSRC)
          as part of a full site closure at this location. We will continue to support the Linux kernel,
          and the software development work happening at the OSRC is being consolidated and will be
          performed at other AMD locations.

          I would like to emphasize that AMD’s decision is not a reflection on the outstanding strengths
          of Dresden and the mutually beneficial relationship AMD and Dresden continue to share,
          but was merely driven by business realties on a global scale. As a matter of fact,
          AMD continues to manufacture a bulk of its global microprocessor production in Dresden,
          and we continue to work closely with our foundry partner there – Globalfoundries – on improving
          manufacturing and design excellence.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by RCL_ View Post
            Linux users turning away from AMD stuff will disincentivize them to support Linux
            For the desktop. Their opterons are still popular in linux workstations/supercomputers.

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            • #21
              For all of you crying over AMD dropping out of the CPU market by basically failing to keep up with intel, first of all, they're not dead yet and secondly why do YOU care? We linux and free-BSD users are lucky because we can just switch to the next best platform with relatively little hassle. If you want something cost effective, go for ARM or MIPS. If you want something massively paralleled, go for SPARC. If you want raw calculation power, go for PPC. If you want gaming, well, as of right now, you're using the wrong OS. But any intel i5 is sufficient for gaming.

              Nearly nobody NEEDS something like i7, its just a luxury at that point. That being said, whether or not AMD ceases to make CPUs, you have plenty of decent options to your disposal. Intel has competition, but x86 may some day be something only they control.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                Nearly nobody NEEDS something like i7, its just a luxury at that point.
                Well, maybe for you. Single-threaded performance is still king on the desktop. Even browsers and desktop environments like KDE get smoother with fast CPU, not to mention smoother feeling in games, and if you have to use desktop software written in java or similar language that cares more about coder's convenience than performance then this becomes crucial.

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                • #23
                  Sadly but good bye AMD! At least at CPU arena. I trusted you when you promoted Bulldozer architecture. Ok, arch is not so good. But now it's even worse: you are reducing software support.
                  I hope you will not drop support for graphics cards drivers cause ATI/AMD cards are good and AMD's participation in open source community is great.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by darkbasic View Post
                    Terrible CPUs + no optimizations = bankrupt
                    Very good saying, nice.

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                    • #25
                      Was für ein Scheiß-BWLer ist da durchgedreht?

                      This is cursing in German what fucking business admin. / economy student screwed up at AMD.

                      Fire the stupid managers, those bloated bunch of lawyers, economists and marketing maybe if you have to. You can't operate a business without engineers!
                      This is so sad. The once great enterprise, the only alternative to intel in the x86 world, the only one keeping intel from going totally crazy, the ones that started to open up specs, working nicely with FOSS cevelopment, ...

                      I know the financial situation was bad. For years. But why fire the devs and engineers? Where do they think they will find a replacement for the OSRC?
                      That means there will be no more feature enablement. No optimizations. Good night. Lol, and how do they think their ARM-x86 hybrids will work now? A CPU and chipset (esp. today) doesn't just stand on its own. I needs a lot of software to work correctly.

                      It looks similar to the Nokia case. Hire some managers, they make the enterprise go bankrupt, so it can be taken over for cheap. I just wonder who's behind it.


                      On another note: Michael, your servers are constantly "too busy".

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                      • #26
                        Multi cores make a PC versatile and responsive and much superior for multitasking. Today's OS be it LINUX or Windows multi task well so even if a single or dual thread is maxxed out, there will be other threads available for use by the OS. Also multi cores in general run much cooler than dual cores. If your BIOS allows, disable the cores of your multi CPU and see how quick the temps climb.

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                        • #27
                          While I share your passion, from what I understand, they are just consolidating resources. E.g. having all their engineers work near eachother; e.g. USA/Canada (I know ATi was located in Canada, don't know about AMD). This does make sense to be fair, even while sucky for the German developers. Having engineers in Europe can be more expensive then having engineers in the USA i'm sure. Having managers travel back and forth is expensive and having managers that aren't really needed can be let go. I would not be supprised if AMD hires some extra engineers in the USA or re-allocate some internally. We will know in a few months if commits stay up properly.

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                          • #28
                            One can take a cheap dual core AMD Phenom II 560 rated at 3.3GHz and make it into a quad core just by using particular motherboards from ASUS, Gigabyte or MSI and guess what, they run them four cores without a hitch. On my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, they run whole day, do video encoding, parallel programming and there are no issues. These are priced below a comparable Intel i3 and blow the Intels in performance specially when all the cores are unleashed. I have always been partial to AMD as they were the underdogs till they introduced x43 dual core which blew the P-IV till Intel caught them up with Core2Duo and Core2Quad and sadly AMD never ever has recovered from that. As for ATI cards, yes they are very good, better speed and specs than nvidia but the driver quality is nothing to talk about in Windows and in Linux, they are a nightmare.

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                            • #29
                              Eh, bad move...
                              And I was about to buy some new AMD hardware...
                              Looks like it's time to change decission to go with Intel.

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                              • #30
                                Let's not forget that AMD just can't compete with Intel when it comes to advertising, something this Japanese Intel Ultrabook commercial clearly establishes:

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=CVdlkv5heqk

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