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    Phoronix: AMD: Accelerating Open-Source Drivers?

    So far today at Phoronix we've published the AMD 8.41 Display Driver Preview, ATI R300/400 Linux Performance, ATI R500 Linux Performance, and ATI Radeon HD 2900XT Linux Performance -- yet, it's only ten minutes past midnight! However, looking at AMD's official statement on the Linux driver, there is a rather interesting sentence about good things to come...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=10977

  • #2
    Can't wait !

    Keep up the good work Phoronix guy(s?) !

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    • #3
      Hey guys,

      You can help by Digging this (if you have a Digg account and only if you think it's Digg-worthy).

      http://digg.com/linux_unix/Breakthro...0_Times_Faster

      It seems like it'll make it into the front page.

      Thanks!

      Roy

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      • #4
        I just hope when the code is released, it's in a form that can be easily be integrated with current open source drivers. The recent work being done on AVIVO and the ati open source drivers is very good.

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        • #5
          Could AMD be about to release R300/400 specs?

          That's the obvious inference, if AMD would rather concentrate on the R500/600 chips these days. I am assuming that R300/400 is purely "legacy" hardware now.

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          • #6
            hooray for ATI

            there is now a chance that i will purchase an ATI/AMD video card.

            i have always preffered AMD and I have wanted to purchase ATI since the acquisition, but found myself totally unable to do so in the face of awful linux drivers.

            i know the hardware is equivalent to that of nVidia, so with the driver issue out of the way i may well be tempted to buy ATI vid-cards in future.

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            • #7
              I am assuming that R300/400 is purely "legacy" hardware now.
              it will be legacy when more people will have r600/r500 than r300/r400. currently it's far from it.

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              • #8
                AMD's efforts are indeed focused on the R600 (and R500) series.
                Michael Larabel
                http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                • #9
                  I see...

                  Originally posted by Michael View Post
                  AMD's efforts are indeed focused on the R600 (and R500) series.
                  So it would make good business-sense for AMD to offload the on-going driver support for any R300/400 based hardware to the Open Source community, and then delete that support from the shiny, new fglrx code-base?

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                  • #10
                    it's nice that you guys know.

                    But i feel like a horse running after a carret suspended 10 feet ahead from a fishing pole.

                    It would be epic if it's an opensource hardware accelerated 3D driver, but then again, maybe we will just get 7 more slides about the release train ...

                    I'm just impatient, have struggled quite a bit... currently have no 3D on xorg 7.3.. and even building it against my current kernel is a challenge. o and that control pannel has a nice feature of segfaulting

                    But if I would have to make a wish list:
                    - opensource (i'm not too fanatic on this one, but would be brilliant, no more binary patching away watermarks or other crashes)
                    - aiglx support
                    - performance improvement
                    - when loading display the text "rolz is great" in big golden letters instead of logo's

                    I'd say there allowed to drop one of those, and i would still be happy
                    Last edited by rolz; 09-05-2007, 07:51 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chrisr View Post
                      So it would make good business-sense for AMD to offload the on-going driver support for any R300/400 based hardware to the Open Source community, and then delete that support from the shiny, new fglrx code-base?
                      No, they will not be discontinuing R300/400 support with this new driver.
                      Michael Larabel
                      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                      • #12
                        I have a dream of a world without a need to check if your graphics driver will work with the new kernel, because it is directly included in the kernel.
                        I have a dream of being able to upgrade my xorg server without first having to check if all the drivers will make the transition...
                        I have a dream of really good randr support no matter if I want to use binary blobs or not.
                        I have a dream where hardware vendors would directly hand over the specs of the hardware to a customer, so that he can code his own drivers if he has the knowledge to do that.

                        I hope AMD/ATI will help to make at least some of those dreams come true. At least the first dreams are already possible when using open source drivers, so a big company like AMD/ATI should be able to manage this, too, since there people do have the specs, the knowledge and the money to concentrate on driver development where open source devs atm have other things to do for a living, concentrate on reverse engineering to get some specs and only after that can work on the drivers.

                        After all the things you could read in Michaels posts in the last days/weeks there probably is something nice to come from that announcement. I would suspect that it could be at least about specs for the r300/r400 series up to specs for all the cards available including open drivers and the ATI/AMD devs working together with the radeon xorg devs on getting good open drivers. I hope they take Intel as example where the people from Intel directly work on the opensource driver.

                        Some things that made it appear to me like something like this is possible:
                        * Before ATI did state they could not open their drivers due to intellectual property from other companies being included. The new driver was completely rewritten, this could be taken care of.
                        * AMDs main competitor is Intel, not nVidia. Intel does offer open drivers and they seem to work on standalone graphics, too. Soo maybe AMD wants to get at least on par with Intel.
                        * AMD wants a bigger piece of the workstation cake. There often linux is being used. Better and open drivers are a selling argument over there.

                        Of course there are also some reasons not to open their drivers:
                        * nVidia does not open their drivers...
                        (You do see the vicious circle behind this?)

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                        • #13
                          AMD announced that they're going to provide
                          specs and skeleton driver sources for >=R500 parts:
                          (and apparently also developer time)

                          http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
                          Last edited by mlau; 09-05-2007, 12:38 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mlau View Post
                            AMD announced that they're going to provide
                            specs and skeleton driver sources for >=R500 parts:
                            (and apparently also developer time)

                            http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
                            That's part of it... Not the complete package though of what they are doing. You'll need to wait for the Phoronix article
                            Michael Larabel
                            http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Michael View Post
                              That's part of it... Not the complete package though of what they are doing. You'll need to wait for the Phoronix article
                              No, I want it RIGHT NOW! >:-)

                              In all honesty, I can't wait to see the article coming up. I want to see what they're actually planning on doing- with what HAS been disclosed, while it's not QUITE what I'd hoped for, they now have my full attention- IF they do what we've found out so far from the grapevine or more.

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