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  • #16
    AMD is having problems with the Windows driver too. Previously they had a record of releasing a driver each month and Cat 12.2 was MIA in February, except for a "Pre-release" that can be found on a blog post. Also some fixes are coming late. A SWTOR issue they found is coming I think in 12.3 (March), for a game released back in December.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by bug77 View Post
      They don't have an open-source vision. It's just that they had so much trouble providing Linux support, they hope the OSS community will do the job for them. I don't think that's inherently bad, but the effort seems to be going nowhere: the OSS community does not even aim to plan the latest hardware or provide top-performance.
      At the end of the day, AMD seems to have the worst of both worlds. They don't have to OSS engagement of intel, to allow them to ditch Catalyst for Linux entirely. And they don't have the solid blobs of nvidia, to allow them to ditch the open source driver. Just like nazi Germany, they're now fighting on two fronts and loosing on both

      NB: I do not think AMD are nazi, I have a lot of respect for them. But I am saddened that for many years now, I haven't found a single product to buy from them. And that's after owning Athlon XP 1600+, 2500+, Athlon64 3500+, X2 4200+. And a Radeon 8500. Video cards are off the table for me, because of Linux support. Intel takes care of the rest since Core2Duo.
      Yes, but unlike Intel they haven't dropped support for anything more then 4 years old. Intel may have many more devs, but it hasn't shown to have helped much for them especially since they keep their workload much smaller then AMD does, not to mention how craptacular their GPUs still are.

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      • #18
        So when nvidia releases kepler later this year, what are the chances that linux support is available from the get-go?

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        • #19
          amd couldnt fix the rss in order to inform news about their drivers... what do you expect?

          nvidia is really better, in windows and linux.

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          • #20
            EDIT -- Michael mentioned the HD 7770 launch driver in the article, never mind.

            FYI, we have never posted launch drivers as part of the Catalyst series - instead we provide them to board vendors for inclusion in the box.

            Since we still aren't seeing many (any ?) vendors shipping the Linux drivers in-box, the Catalyst folks have started posting out-of-cycle driver builds (as KB articles) to get them into users's hands without having to wait for the new GPU support to show up in the regular Catalyst releases.
            Last edited by bridgman; 03-02-2012, 02:00 PM.

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            • #21
              Well I just ordered a Radeon HD 7950 after getting tired of AMD to send any GCN hardware over.... More info next week.
              Michael Larabel
              http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Michael View Post
                Well I just ordered a Radeon HD 7950 after getting tired of AMD to send any GCN hardware over.... More info next week.
                can we know the price? it doesn't matter if you put a link. It cost in my country (Argentina) 730 - 820 USD

                a friend have just sold his 7950 (I'm jocking)
                Last edited by DINAMIK; 03-02-2012, 02:16 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DINAMIK View Post
                  can we know the price? it doesn't matter if you put a link. It cost in my country (Argentina) 730 - 820 USD

                  a friend have just sold his 7950 (I'm jocking)

                  480 USD price.
                  Michael Larabel
                  http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                    They don't have an open-source vision. It's just that they had so much trouble providing Linux support, they hope the OSS community will do the job for them.
                    ..and then they hire the more active community developers who aren't already employed and put them on payroll. That's an important detail you conveniently left out..

                    Just like nazi Germany, they're now fighting on two fronts and losing on both
                    You just lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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                    • #25
                      I will take AMD over Intel and nVidia anyday. Intel are liars and cheats that make Microsoft look like angels, and Nvidia does not support OSS at all. AMD have put their money where their mouth is by releasing specs and docs for their hardware and paying people to work on OSS drivers, not to mention AMD's great work with the OPEN64 compiler project.

                      And the PS4 will be an all AMD system...

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                      • #26
                        Basically amd should send me their latest hardware for free to test the drivers, but i only get it sometimes by other ppl who do not need it anymore.

                        @bridgman

                        do you have got any spare cards flying around at your office? i would also test piledriver or something else that beats my i7 cpus.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by johnc View Post
                          So when nvidia releases kepler later this year, what are the chances that linux support is available from the get-go?
                          I'd bet it's already in place in the current 295 release ...

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                          • #28
                            Now if that topic doesn't offer a perfect template for flaming and trolling.

                            I don't blame AMD for not having 1st day free drivers support since esp. the SI is a new architecture and needs more new code. Of course fglrx/Cat. devs will face similar problems. Still you should have working drivers before you bring something to the market. But then, it might also be a matter of card manufacturers if they change too many things then it's not just adding pci ids for all the boards.
                            But as long as a SI chip is not integral part of a complete system (say a mini ITX mainboard for example) then one could still just wait with buying a dedicated card until it is correctly supported.
                            In my case I bought a HD5xxx series instead of a HD6xxx one because the free driver support at that time was already better for the 5xxx. Adopting always the newest tech is something that most of us "have in their blood" but then one also has to live with the downsides.
                            I guess there is no enterprise in the whole tech business that makes a perfect start with a new product these days. You launch it under pressure and there is always some fallout coming later when it hits the real world. So maybe it is a good idea for the normal person to take 2nd newest generation when buying something new. (It's also often more affordable).


                            Regarding the test item: I dunno but maybe since AMD cut (had to cut?) some employment in the esp. marketing area , maybe that affected the system with test card distribution also?

                            my German Aunt Edith says:
                            Speaking of new tech: I want A68M on miniITX mainboards with E-350/450 naoww! *screams and rolls on the floor and hits it with fists like a small angry child*
                            Last edited by Adarion; 03-03-2012, 03:13 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by DanL View Post
                              ..and then they hire the more active community developers who aren't already employed and put them on payroll. That's an important detail you conveniently left out..
                              Since the day 0 support is not there yet, exactly how is this important? I'm buying video cards here, not good intentions.

                              Originally posted by DanL View Post
                              Wow, you've got a quote! Do you even know what I was talking about?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                                Since the day 0 support is not there yet, exactly how is this important?
                                You were talking about open-source planning/vision, not day 0 support. AMD never said open-source day 0 support was part of their plan (but Catalyst support was supposed to be).

                                Do you even know what I was talking about?
                                Of course, but that doesn't change the fact that you compared video card drivers to Nazi war strategy...

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