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    Phoronix: This Is What Started AMD's Open-Source Strategy

    While AMD's open-source strategy was announced on Phoronix on 7 September 2007, it was on 17 September of the same year that the Novell/SUSE developers did their first public release of their xf86-video-radeonhd driver. This was the X.Org driver created by the Novell Linux engineers in months prior for R500 and R600 GPUs. Here is some special reading -- a letter that was volleyed from Novell to AMD that kicked off this entire process -- to celebrate what would have been the fourth birthday of this open-source Linux driver.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=16435

  • #2
    Ok, now forward that email to nvidia.

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    • #3
      now make a good an fast drivers so i can play quake live on 4850 on open drivers... now it is 60 fps, but screen is choppy.

      i can use my computer as beta test machine

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      • #4
        All I would like is power management, especially for my E-350-based notebook...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by d2kx View Post
          All I would like is power management, especially for my E-350-based notebook...
          active power management isn't the problem its the default setting that its the problem.

          "high" mode as a default hurt the most people

          KDE for example can turn of 3D desktop if a full screen game starts why not turn the power management profile to high if a full screen game starts ?

          or yes in my point of view it makes no sense to dev a open source driver but not the automatic power management.

          in real you can't only use passive cooled cards for the open source driver but there is no passive cooled notebook at all.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            active power management isn't the problem its the default setting that its the problem.
            You're wrong.

            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            "high" mode as a default hurt the most people
            Yeah, but dynpm/low are too buggy to be default, so there's nothing we can do.

            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            KDE for example can turn of 3D desktop if a full screen game starts why not turn the power management profile to high if a full screen game starts ?
            That's what dynpm will do in the future (clock dependend on the workload). It's not really working yet. And low has problems even on the desktop.

            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            or yes in my point of view it makes no sense to dev a open source driver but not the automatic power management.
            Power Management is hard to do but I agree its priority should be higher than it is right now.

            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            in real you can't only use passive cooled cards for the open source driver but there is no passive cooled notebook at all.
            Not sure if serious...? Power management is important because of the power consumption. The fan in my subnotebook is quiet enough (totally different story with my desktop, powered by a 6870).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by d2kx View Post
              You're wrong.
              i think you are just to fast in your claiming. and your arguments flow your claiming do not cover your claim.

              but read what you give us as a argument.

              "Yeah, but dynpm/low are too buggy to be default, so there's nothing we can do."

              you claim that i claim that dynpm/low should be the default but in reality this is only in your imagination.
              your fight against your own imagination not against my points of view.
              because there is also dynpm/mid and this is not buggy but mid isn't default high is default.

              and now explain me why mid is not default??

              you can't explain?


              Originally posted by d2kx View Post
              Not sure if serious...? Power management is important because of the power consumption. The fan in my subnotebook is quiet enough (totally different story with my desktop, powered by a 6870).
              show me a passive cooled amd based notebook and i will buy it.

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              • #8
                The drivers default to "default" because that is the only thing that runs reliably on all systems so far.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                  The drivers default to "default" because that is the only thing that runs reliably on all systems so far.
                  runs NOT .... have you ever read the phoronix forum especially the radeon opensource part of the forum?

                  i think you don't read the radeon open source part of the forum because if so you would never ever claim that the default run on all systems.

                  http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...70-Overheating

                  or maybe you are blind or just a ignorance person.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                    The drivers default to "default" because that is the only thing that runs reliably on all systems so far.
                    Lets say your claim is true.
                    Then what decides the "default profile"?
                    The BIOS that lacks it?
                    Some non-existing user setting?
                    Hardware defined?
                    Basiacally what needs to be done is to:
                    1. Set low or medium as default profile
                    2. Fix dynpm!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      or maybe you are blind or just a ignorance person.
                      I'll take "blind" for $300, Alex.

                      I read that thread a few more times but didn't see any indication of default not running on the user's system. It didn't reduce power, obviously, but it also didn't crash at boot which is the problem on some systems if the driver defaults to mid, low, dynpm or anything else. As long as the system boots up (which it does with "default") the user can adjust power levels; if the system crashes at boot that's a lot harder.

                      Originally posted by del_diablo View Post
                      Lets say your claim is true. Then what decides the "default profile"?
                      The BIOS that lacks it? Some non-existing user setting? Hardware defined?
                      The video BIOS contains a power settings table, with one or more entries. One of those entries is marked as "default". The VBIOS uses that entry when setting up the hardware, and IIRC "default" in the driver means "don't mess with whatever the VBIOS set".

                      When you say "The BIOS that lacks it", what does "it" refer to ?
                      Last edited by bridgman; 09-17-2011, 12:06 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                        but it also didn't crash at boot which is the problem on some systems if the driver defaults to mid
                        i never ever read this before... any source for your claim ?

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                        • #13
                          agd5f has mentioned it here a couple of times IIRC, also discussion on #radeon over the last couple of years

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                            agd5f has mentioned it here a couple of times IIRC, also discussion on #radeon over the last couple of years
                            sorry i can't click on this link to the source of the claims.

                            do i have to believe your fairy tale ?

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                            • #15
                              @quaridium if you are too lazy to google up the IRC logs why should anyone help you.

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