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    Phoronix: A Happy Four Years To An Open-Source ATI/AMD

    It was four years ago, on the 6th of September 2007, that I exclusively broke the news on AMD's open-source strategy that would end up greatly changing the open-source Linux graphics driver landscape...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTg4NA

  • #2
    Thank you

    Thank you AMD And everybody who works on the Mesa/Gallium/DDX and DRM Drivers.

    As an owner of a AMD 6850 and E350 all that is really lacking is a decent working dynamic power management and audio oder HDMI.
    Besides that, I am very pleased with the current state.
    The only way for me to really say "thank you" is to continue buying AMD Hardware. Looking forward to get a Bulldozer

    Gregor

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    • #3
      I must admit I'm proud of being an AMD customer. Hopefully the open driver will get better and better in the near future.

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      • #4
        I also see a good way of improvement over the past years. I followed this development, well, and even though there are some bumps on the road (UVD, power management on par with fglrx and recent opengl support) I am happy with my choice to use AMD-ATI stuff in my boxes. Ok, I use AMD for many years now anyway, but often in combination with nvidia chips. And since the announcement of specs release I turned to using AMD-ATI chips for the GPU part.
        Hopefully I'll also call an APU soon my own.

        Thanks to all the hackers and workers over there. And to Michael for covering this issue and probably also applying a certain kind of public pressure.

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        • #5
          Four years in which I changed from a mix of Intel and AMD CPUs with nVidia GPUs to full AMD+ATI machines, using a full open source software stack. Thank you AMD!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mcgreg View Post
            As an owner of a AMD 6850 and E350 all that is really lacking is a decent working dynamic power management and audio oder HDMI.
            And video decode acceleration! By ignoring this aspect AMD is missing out on a large part of the Linux HTPC market.

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            • #7
              Thanks amd.

              The main reason I bought an amd video card, is the open source driver.

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              • #8
                Me too bought an RS690 and now an RS880 because of the great open source support. I'm guessing my next purchase will be a bulldozer or at the very least a laptop with discreet AMD graphics

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                • #9
                  Both happy and sad

                  I'm happy that things have improved for open source gpu drivers in general, not just for ATI/AMD. I have a sore spot though. I hate that I pretty much cannot do anything productive OR entertaining on the open source graphics drivers out there today. What I mean is, they don't perform even close (most of the time) to the official proprietary drivers. They don't do decent video playback, have poor FPS in games or just don't render correctly, don't do good for workstation usage, and from what I last understood, don't do opencl. They only thing they CAN do is a basic composited desktop, which is the least of my worries. Now, if X allowed me to switch drivers on the fly, without restarting X, and losing all my running GUI apps, I could live with that. Supposedly Wayland will be better suited to this task, but I'm gonna bet right here and now it's gonna be 5 years before that feature works correctly and is default on ANY distro.

                  I'm not a fan of Intel's graphics capabilities (well, sandy bridge is ok, for now), but they seem to be much more on track to having similar functionality to the windows equivalent driver than ATI/AMD or Nvidia opensource drivers ever thought about being, and this "fact" makes me sad....as I have an ATI card (4850) that I WISH I could run the opensource driver on and be happy with it...but I just can't...I've tried, it has it's gotchas. To be honest, the binary driver has it's issues, but they don't get in my way as often.

                  Don't be mad, just sharing my perspective and experience.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lienmeat View Post
                    I'm happy that things have improved for open source gpu drivers in general, not just for ATI/AMD. I have a sore spot though. I hate that I pretty much cannot do anything productive OR entertaining on the open source graphics drivers out there today. What I mean is, they don't perform even close (most of the time) to the official proprietary drivers. They don't do decent video playback, have poor FPS in games or just don't render correctly, don't do good for workstation usage, and from what I last understood, don't do opencl. They only thing they CAN do is a basic composited desktop, which is the least of my worries. Now, if X allowed me to switch drivers on the fly, without restarting X, and losing all my running GUI apps, I could live with that. Supposedly Wayland will be better suited to this task, but I'm gonna bet right here and now it's gonna be 5 years before that feature works correctly and is default on ANY distro.

                    I'm not a fan of Intel's graphics capabilities (well, sandy bridge is ok, for now), but they seem to be much more on track to having similar functionality to the windows equivalent driver than ATI/AMD or Nvidia opensource drivers ever thought about being, and this "fact" makes me sad....as I have an ATI card (4850) that I WISH I could run the opensource driver on and be happy with it...but I just can't...I've tried, it has it's gotchas. To be honest, the binary driver has it's issues, but they don't get in my way as often.

                    Don't be mad, just sharing my perspective and experience.

                    Totally with you on that buddy.
                    I wont bother buying AMD video card, unless it really kicks arse of Nvidia, performance/power consumption wise.

                    I think somewhere on the Phoronix it was mentioned, that AMD doesn't care about performance of these cards on OSS driver.
                    So yeah, I don't care about OSS driver, that doesn't compete with binary one. I buy expensive stuff not fo rcharity reasons to MEGA corporation like AMD.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dimko View Post
                      I think somewhere on the Phoronix it was mentioned, that AMD doesn't care about performance of these cards on OSS driver.
                      That's not true at all. What may have been said was that performance was considered less important than getting the cards (and newer hardware) to actually work. And that it was unlikely the OSS drivers would get more than 80% or so of the performance of the proprietary drivers, due to lack of manpower and a desire to keep the drivers relatively simple and maintainable. But they do care about getting the drivers to perform at a decent level. It just is taking a while to get them to that point.

                      There are lots of reasons to grab an NVidia card or even to use fglrx with ATI cards, but you can't just say AMD "doesn't care."

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                      • #12
                        I'm sure they'd welcome an Oprofile run of your favorite slow-on-OSS-drivers app

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                        • #13
                          Congrats and a big thank you to AMD!

                          Although I am still no intel these days, I am looking forward buying an AMD Trinity based laptop when as soon as its available.

                          - Clemens

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dimko View Post
                            So yeah, I don't care about OSS driver, that doesn't compete with binary one.
                            With AMD you at least have a choice, and the company even pays developers to make that choice as useable as possible.
                            With Nvidia, well, I could tell you a long story about old systems cauding huge problems after upgrades, because the proprietary nvidia drivers were legacy and not updated frequently anymore. The nouveau guys made the situation far more pleasant (thanks!), however AMD's open drivers are better in almost every regard.

                            However, when it comes to consumer hardware I realize that it often ends up with fanboy flamewars, so peace in earth ^^

                            - Clemens

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                            • #15
                              Indeed, thanks for the work, I also appreciate hugely to be able to use a composited desktop fully on the OSS layer.
                              Checking fdo git browser, there seems to be little activity on the AMD front on either drm, mesa or the ati driver. I wonder what could be cooking...

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