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  • #16
    Originally posted by agd5f View Post
    The goal is to try and bring up the open and closed source drivers at the same time so that all of our hw and sw teams are on the same page and that specific hardware is fresh on everyone's mind. With the open source driver we have been on a delayed schedule playing catch up compared to the closed source and hw teams. As such, by the time we get to open source driver bring up, most of the other teams have already moved on to newer asics so the previous generation is not as fresh on their minds.
    Thanks for the explanation. However, I wonder how the development process looks like then. Of course you can now ask for help getting into it. But you can't implement the code in the same way due to legal concerns, AFAIK? Nowadays it's easier, you can just take a look into the CS source and see how it can't be implemented in the OS driver. BTW, this should be valid vice versa. Maybe I'm completely mistaken?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
      Great! After this I hope that AMD will put some guy on CoreBoot.

      Then everything will be great in Free Software Ville.
      You are living in the past. AMD has more than one guy on CoreBoot, just read the news.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Lynxeye View Post
        You are living in the past. AMD has more than one guy on CoreBoot, just read the news.
        More likely, he means that he'd like to see some AMD direct involvement in getting some real mainboards running on coreboot. The code is nice, but someone has to run with it and deal with the balance of the mainboard before a user can actually use it.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Pfanne View Post
          quick question.
          tried ubuntu natty with the open source drivers lately.
          the compiz effects, when switching the desktop and stuff like that are jerky.
          is this ubuntu or the driver?
          (im on a mobilty hd4570)
          I have ATI 3200, which I guess is much slower then Your card and i have realy smooth system interaction.Try change some compiz, maybe disable compiz V-Sync...

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          • #20
            Start helping

            From the new:
            For now though there's still plenty to be done besides dreaming of the day of same-day open-source KMS and Gallium3D support. You can be supporting AMD with your hardware purchases and working on the open-source drivers yourself. Even if you're not an experienced developer, there's still valuable contributions to be made in terms of testing, documentation, etc. Ask on our forums if you're looking for ways to get involved.
            I`m interested in this target, i`m embedded developer, and i usually make drivers for Linux (i did some net drivers), but i would like to improve my 3D/GPU drivers, how could i help? I see the learning curve a little bit high, but i would like to help in any way.
            __
            Methril
            Rafael Campos Las Heras

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            • #21
              Originally posted by elanthis View Post
              what are the odds of having any of the 'closed" driver develprs also contirubing to the Open drivers too, even in mionr bug-fixing fashion? Not beign and insider I don't know how big a role "clean-room" concerns come into play with patents are licensed technology...
              That's a great point. Would it be possible to re-structure the Closed Source code in a way that a lot of the stuff is shared with the OS version? And then hooks for either binary bits for patented stuff or OS counterparts.

              If this was implemented that way, then the clean room concerns would be limited to those bits, and it would all be easier for everyone. Of course there may be reasons why that is not feasible ...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Lynxeye View Post
                You are living in the past. AMD has more than one guy on CoreBoot, just read the news.
                Well my desktop tower isn't realy in the 'embedded' region

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by icek View Post
                  I have ATI 3200, which I guess is much slower then Your card and i have realy smooth system interaction.Try change some compiz, maybe disable compiz V-Sync...
                  Either that or there is no hardware acceleration for some reason. What's the output of
                  Code:
                  glxinfo |grep rendering
                  HD4200 here and also very smooth with compiz. KDE's Kwin is sluggish though.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mendieta View Post
                    That's a great point. Would it be possible to re-structure the Closed Source code in a way that a lot of the stuff is shared with the OS version? And then hooks for either binary bits for patented stuff or OS counterparts.

                    If this was implemented that way, then the clean room concerns would be limited to those bits, and it would all be easier for everyone. Of course there may be reasons why that is not feasible ...
                    The closed source driver will not be opened, people should stop trying to come up with a bright idea about. The closed driver is so big and so intermigle with sensitive technology (content protection stuff) that it doesn't make sense to open it. Moreover it's a completely different codebase, it could not be integrated with mesa.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by glisse View Post
                      The closed driver is so big and so intermigle with sensitive technology...
                      Maybe it's such a mess and so badly coded that it would drastically reduce AMD's stocks if everybody could take a look inside it Oh wait... that's Windows.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by devius View Post
                        Maybe it's such a mess and so badly coded that it would drastically reduce AMD's stocks if everybody could take a look inside it Oh wait... that's Windows.
                        Sadly, and I'm guessing you're aware of this, a lot of proprietary (and open source no doubt!) software is just....munted. Comes with top management wanting deadlines over maintainability, and then of course later there's other things to do and you don't get a chance to go back an clean things out, another deadline looms, hacks are made, and so the cycle continues.
                        I'm quite sure there are interesting comments in any the code for any proprietary driver, from stressed out and annoyed devs.

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                        • #27
                          I should make it clear that the "hd7xxx" and "hd8xxx" names came from curaga and I responded using the same terminology - I don't know what future generations of GPUs will be called when they hit the market.

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                          • #28
                            Just.
                            Dont.
                            Buy.
                            Proprietary.
                            At all.


                            If you see the alternative.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                              I should make it clear that the "hd7xxx" and "hd8xxx" names came from curaga and I responded using the same terminology - I don't know what future generations of GPUs will be called when they hit the market.
                              i think thats not the problem because hd7770 sound so sexy

                              or hd8888 special edition

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                                I should make it clear that the "hd7xxx" and "hd8xxx" names came from curaga and I responded using the same terminology - I don't know what future generations of GPUs will be called when they hit the market.
                                Funny... if those end up being the final names, the radeons will go back to the same name they had 11 years before (with an added HD, and probably a bit more processing power).

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