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  • #76
    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    unfortunately
    This word actually describes the state of the FOSS drivers pretty well.

    I'll stick to my point of view. If a driver doesn't provide that stuff, then it doesn't help me the least to know why it doesn't. OK, it's patented, but frankly, I don't care. I want my software to work!

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    • #77
      Originally posted by gordboy View Post
      Just as soon as the AMD fanboys stop using deeply offensive words like "autistic" and "retarded", I might consider being civil. I am a parent with an autistic son, and I find the language here at times totally unacceptable and offensive.
      I got a hypothesis;
      Your autistic son is a genius and is fascinated by Linux. You don't understand this because you're not a genius autistic person and wonder why he doesn't play football with his male buddies after which they take a steamy groupshower (which is kind of gay). You then project the hate created by your 'failed' son (read your failed self) onto the first Linux website that came up when you googled it and started ranting about how much this open thingy sucks. I mean it is obvious that this 'openy ringy dingy' clearly threatens your sons interest in pointless excersice with simple minded losers that end up replicating their RNA at least two times and end up hating smart people because they don't understand them. I mean how is it that these geniuses care for something that they can't earn money from?

      But then your evil plan was shut down so you had no choice but to read up about what you fear to love (hate) and now not only do we hate you, but you also hate yourself. But you have to come back because you're a winner.

      Now eventualy you have to end this endless loop by either (a) killing your yourself or (b) simply accept that other people likes are not always yours.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
        This word actually describes the state of the FOSS drivers pretty well.

        I'll stick to my point of view. If a driver doesn't provide that stuff, then it doesn't help me the least to know why it doesn't. OK, it's patented, but frankly, I don't care. I want my software to work!
        Well, if you depend on that one feature, then you will obviously not have much use for OSS drivers.

        I still think that it's very misleading to say that they don't work at all. They work very well for most use-cases and most users.

        We all agree that they are not perfect. Even the nvidia blob is not perfect, look, they broke KDE yet again.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
          VMWare uses OpenGL, so I don't see how it's a special use-case. If the driver doesn't support OpenGL correctly, then it's clearly not ready yet since the purpose is to run OpenGL apps with it.

          Are you going to turn all bugs into "special use-cases?"
          While you're right and of course it should work, you're adding one more layer of problems since VM OpenGL and D3D support is very lacking and a work in progress. I tried VMWare's 3D acceleration not too long ago and it wasn't even close to being totally implemented and fully functional.

          So, in short, to make sure problems you're experiencing aren't problems with the VMware 3D graphics layer, I would think anyone would want you testing drivers natively. Apps just utilizing the CPU and such, sure, VMs are fine for general testing, but 3D graphics?? AFAIK I don't think that's the preferred testing method...

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          • #80
            Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
            No, I call it patented technology. It's commonly used, unfortunately.
            And so? It can be delivered as an external library and I can use it because I live in Europe, where's the problem?

            Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
            As soon as somebody reverse-engineers it for r600 hardware.
            Why there isn't any doc about it? Being patented means you have to pay royalties to use it, it doesn't mean you can't deliver docs...
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Yfrwlf View Post
              While you're right and of course it should work, you're adding one more layer of problems since VM OpenGL and D3D support is very lacking and a work in progress. I tried VMWare's 3D acceleration not too long ago and it wasn't even close to being totally implemented and fully functional.

              So, in short, to make sure problems you're experiencing aren't problems with the VMware 3D graphics layer, I would think anyone would want you testing drivers natively. Apps just utilizing the CPU and such, sure, VMs are fine for general testing, but 3D graphics?? AFAIK I don't think that's the preferred testing method...
              I think you misunderstood me. VMWare is a native application. It uses the native 3D driver on my native Linux install on my native graphics card. Inside VMWare, I run Windows 7. But that doesn't matter to the Linux driver. All that matters is that VMWare uses OpenGL.

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              • #82
                I Want Vincent Banned From This Forum Forever

                Dear Michael.

                If you do not ban Vincent from this forum forever, I will have no hesitation in contacting your provider, godaddy, and asking them to pull this site.

                You are clearly unable to control the people here. Make no mistake, allowing that sort of disgraceful CRAP is not only irresponsible, it is also illegal in the US.

                Also, fully expect to be contacted by disabled rights organizations and the FBI if you fail to comply.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by darkbasic View Post
                  Do you call S3TC a special use case?
                  How long since R600g will gain full S3TC support via libtxc_dxtn.so like R300g?
                  I love the radeon driver too, but I have to admit we are far from an usable driver.
                  I am sure you'd already have S3TC if it wasn't patented. Paid developers care very little about patented features because such features are of no use to their employers and may be even dangerous. I guess all you can do is to kindly ask some unpaid developer to implement it for you. Or wait for a miracle. Or don't care.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by gordboy View Post
                    Dear Michael.

                    If you do not ban Vincent from this forum forever, I will have no hesitation in contacting your provider, godaddy, and asking them to pull this site.

                    You are clearly unable to control the people here. Make no mistake, allowing that sort of disgraceful CRAP is not only irresponsible, it is also illegal in the US.

                    Also, fully expect to be contacted by disabled rights organizations and the FBI if you fail to comply.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by gordboy View Post
                      Dear Michael.

                      If you do not ban Vincent from this forum forever, I will have no hesitation in contacting your provider, godaddy, and asking them to pull this site.

                      You are clearly unable to control the people here. Make no mistake, allowing that sort of disgraceful CRAP is not only irresponsible, it is also illegal in the US.

                      Also, fully expect to be contacted by disabled rights organizations and the FBI if you fail to comply.
                      This is fun, lol

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                      • #86
                        But this don't explain why r300g can S3TC and not the r600g (Manpower excluded).

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by gordboy View Post
                          Dear Michael.

                          If you do not ban Vincent from this forum forever, I will have no hesitation in contacting your provider, godaddy, and asking them to pull this site.

                          You are clearly unable to control the people here. Make no mistake, allowing that sort of disgraceful CRAP is not only irresponsible, it is also illegal in the US.

                          Also, fully expect to be contacted by disabled rights organizations and the FBI if you fail to comply.
                          O my GOOD, and when you think about world is full with guys like him. Who are you Hitler?

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                          • #88

                            I just wanted to write something reasonable here to calm down the flamewar but apparently that flamewar got out of control beyond reason.

                            @gordboy
                            Threatening phoronix media with legalese stuff is surely not the way if you happen to have a problem with other users. Ignore them and they will ignore you. Go different ways and keep distance.

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                            • #89
                              Trolls do not want to calm down, please stop feeding him.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by darkbasic View Post
                                And so? It can be delivered as an external library and I can use it because I live in Europe, where's the problem?
                                The library is not enough, you still need to hack/reverse-engineer parts of the hardware.

                                This was done for older hardware, but not for r600+, the way I understand. That's why there's no support yet.

                                Check it out here: http://radeonhd.org/?page=archive_di...10&d=2010-9-12

                                MostAwesomeDude: Revan199: They cannot legally provide certain information to the community.
                                MostAwesomeDude: Specifically, anisotropic filtering, S3TC formats, MPEG formats, video decoding, and possibly the various firmware stuff.

                                So yes, blame patents for not having S3TC. That part still needs to be reverse-engineered.

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