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  • #31
    Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
    Its Orgasmic Octopus btw.
    Whoops. "I" is next to "O".


    Also, I am not full of hate, man. I'm just saying it will be a while till we get a tested, bug-free version of the whole driver stack in the repos. GIT snapshots are buggy as hell.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mr James View Post
      Also, I am not full of hate, man. I'm just saying it will be a while till we get a tested, bug-free version of the whole driver stack in the repos. GIT snapshots are buggy as hell.
      then just enjoy the show and wait for an stable release.

      i think i dist-upgrade today up to the 11.04 kubuntu release.

      be sure i test it for you with my hd5670

      i do not believe in FUD i test it by my own and i do not have fear.

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      • #33
        i'm now on kubuntu 11.04

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mr James View Post
          Whoops. "I" is next to "O".


          Also, I am not full of hate, man. I'm just saying it will be a while till we get a tested, bug-free version of the whole driver stack in the repos. GIT snapshots are buggy as hell.
          i test it for you on 11.04 you still need xorg-edgers right now or you get "software rasterizer"

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mr James View Post
            Debian Squeeze. About to be declared the new stable release. Debian Stable is just that good. Gentoo people are ricers. They see themselfs as some sort of secret society.
            So, when you do not agree with official Debian line on current GCC version used, you gonna do ... what?

            Gentoo is a tool, a brilliant multi-functional tool.
            If you take a ricer and give him gentoo, he will get ricer linux.
            If you take yourself and install gentoo, you will get your linux.

            If you take Debian, you get Debian. If you agree with Debian, you don't need Gentoo. Gentoo is for people that value its features, drawbacks derived from that features.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
              So, when you do not agree with official Debian line on current GCC version used, you gonna do ... what?
              Go Debian Sid...upgrade and mix and match whatever.

              Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
              Gentoo is a tool, a brilliant multi-functional tool.
              If you take a ricer and give him gentoo, he will get ricer linux.
              If you take yourself and install gentoo, you will get your linux.

              If you take Debian, you get Debian. If you agree with Debian, you don't need Gentoo. Gentoo is for people that value its features, drawbacks derived from that features.
              Man, you got to be into bondage pr0n to use Gentoo.

              To reap the benifits of Gentoo you got to step through the code, figure out what the sweet spot of compilation flags for your setup is, and then compile EVERYTHING. Come upgrade time, loop.
              I mean I can see it as a valuable learning experience, but to be a my main distro.........I'm not that leet.

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              • #37
                Mr James,

                like many, you misunderstand the concept of gentoo. Compiling things on your own is not about ricing your compile flags to get the last bits of performance - in fact, handcrafted binaries with PGO are often faster.

                It's about tailoring your system to your needs.

                I don't want to use LVM? USE="-lvm" and it's gone from my system.
                I want to use some gnome apps on a KDE desktop without pulling in too many dependencies? USE="-gnome -eds".
                Can we please drop all those useless sound demons from my system, because my alsa works just fine? USE="-pulseaudio -esd -arts"
                I want to use Seamonkey, but don't need the buildin chat client? USE="-chatzilla".
                I want to have a local php installation with exactly the modules I can use on the production server? USE flag, again.
                I need true and working debugging symbols for my whole system because I tend to generate lots of stacktraces? FEATURES="splitdebug"
                I really don't need ancients HID drivers in my xorg? INPUT_DEVICES="evdev -keyboard -mouse"
                My language of choice is english, but I want german support to be included just in case? But I don't want to waste space and memory on french? LINGUAS="en en_GB de"
                I need a clean way to install a custom xf86-video-ati without overwriting system files or voiding my package manager's dependency checks? echo 'x11-driver/xf86-video-ati' >>/etc/portage/package.provided
                I want to apply a patch to some software without getting my binaries from some weird, completely untrustable PPA? Copy patch, add 1 line to the correct file, reinstall package, there it is!
                I suddenly feel like swapping my linux kernel for *BSD? Possible with gentoo.

                Additionally, as a developer, I like my software to come with all required headers by default.

                Also, don't underestimate the potential for embedded systems. Cross-compiling a minimal system with just the required features, then copying it (sans gcc/headers/...) to another system is a use case that's pretty easy with gentoo. Catching compile errors before botching your system with an untested binary is a good thing, too.


                I realize that some of these things can be done in other package managers by splitting a package into dozends of smaller packages (one for each php module, a debug package for each containing symbols, a language package for each, ..), but there are limits to that.
                Gentoo is just a clean approach if you need a highly customizable system. You may use gentoo because you need the customization, you may use gentoo because you just like the customization, because you like to tinker with stuff, or you may use it because your computer room gets too cold during winter. Gentoo has its advantages and its drawbacks. If someone understands both and considers it a good choice, there's nothing wrong with that.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rohcQaH View Post
                  I don't want to use LVM? USE="-lvm" and it's gone from my system.
                  I want to use some gnome apps on a KDE desktop without pulling in too many dependencies? USE="-gnome -eds".
                  Can we please drop all those useless sound demons from my system, because my alsa works just fine? USE="-pulseaudio -esd -arts"
                  Want to spend less time working for your computer and more time out with your girlfriend? USE="-gentoo"

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Mr James View Post
                    Go Debian Sid...upgrade and mix and match whatever.
                    This is completely unrelated to my question.
                    In Sid, as in any Debian branch, the only efficient way to "disagree" is to pin the package. It will work for some time.
                    The other way, is to turn your system into source based, with a package manager not designed for source.


                    Originally posted by Mr James View Post
                    Man, you got to be into bondage pr0n to use Gentoo.

                    To reap the benifits of Gentoo you got to step through the code, figure out what the sweet spot of compilation flags for your setup is, and then compile EVERYTHING. Come upgrade time, loop.
                    I mean I can see it as a valuable learning experience, but to be a my main distro.........I'm not that leet.
                    No, I'm into the choices.
                    I love the system, that is not monotone with one decision to apply to everybody, but for the system which has very efficient mechanism of integrating various individual solutions efficiently.
                    The only thing that you should know when using Gentoo is Linux ecosystem.
                    I have found Gentoo way more usable and simple than Archlinux, and way more flexible than Debian. Of course, if I to install an OS for (wishing to stay) unexperienced person, Gentoo will be very bad choice.
                    Just as I mentioned, configurability and flexibility comes at a price of knowing which path to follow. And following it blindly(by default), although possible, will provide no benefit - only leave with drawbacks. Somebody prefer automatic transmission, somebody like manual switching. And somebody like to walk.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                      Want to spend less time working for your computer and more time out with your girlfriend? USE="-gentoo"
                      Incorrect, that would be: rm -rf /

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Mr James View Post
                        Man, you got to be into bondage pr0n to use Gentoo.

                        To reap the benifits of Gentoo you got to step through the code, figure out what the sweet spot of compilation flags for your setup is, and then compile EVERYTHING. Come upgrade time, loop.
                        I mean I can see it as a valuable learning experience, but to be a my main distro.........I'm not that leet.
                        I will go a bit more detailed:
                        - you don't need to go through the code. The USE flags are displayed by emerge or eix. Their meaning can be found in corresponding ebuild or on internet. Many ebuilds use own CFLAGS overriding your choice for purpose of better optimization. There is a useflag to prevent this behavior.
                        - neither emerge, nor paludis recompile EVERYTHING. They automatically recompile only what is needed to be recompiled. It is also not necessary a foreground process. Its true, that sometimes you need to call revdep to rebuild everything depending upon changed package, and you will be informed to do so. Again with Ubuntu, segfaults were not uncommon.
                        - the world package set is unique,as in valuable, in Gentoo. You will never get any package lost over the time, just because package manager silently decided to do so. You have very differentiated list of what you want and everything else is a dynamic dependency.

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                        • #42
                          You take the high road and I'll take the low road...

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                            Want to spend less time working for your computer and more time out with your girlfriend? USE="-gentoo"
                            why would I prefer some woman to my computer?

                            Seriously, it's not as bad as you make it sound. Most people who try gentoo don't get further than the installation, which can take days for a novice. But upgrading software costs CPU time, not my time. I can do it as a background job or I can do it overnight (emerge -uDN world && shutdown -h now), doesn't cost time for me.
                            And when I need a custom patch in some package, some inofficial git version or something, gentoo actually makes it easier to get it done in a clean and reliable way, thus saving my time.

                            Oh, and installation? I haven't reinstalled gentoo in years, even though every bit of hardware changed at some point. cp -a /mnt/oldroot /mnt/newroot, reconfigure & install kernel, reinstall grub, modify /etc/fstab, working system. Change use flags and some configuration files, do system upgrade overnight, done. Even my notebook started out as a clone of my workstation.
                            Unless you start from scratch, installing gentoo doesn't take much longer than installing ubuntu. It's just less clicking in a fancy GUI installer and more knowing what you're doing.

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                            • #44
                              ......And I'll get to Ireland before ye...

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Mr James View Post
                                Whoops. "I" is next to "O".


                                Also, I am not full of hate, man. I'm just saying it will be a while till we get a tested, bug-free version of the whole driver stack in the repos. GIT snapshots are buggy as hell.
                                i'm now on 11.04+xorg-edgers (mesa7.10) it works very good

                                this unstable git radeon version is more stable than every catalyst version in 2010.

                                so your words are just a joke :

                                "it will be a while till we get a tested, bug-free version of the whole driver stack in the repos. GIT snapshots are buggy as hell."

                                a joke because the catalyst call the driver stable every month and every time the radeon beat the catalyst on stability ironicaly on unstable git versions.

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