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  • Originally posted by tball View Post
    Well what about getting ideas from it then?
    That's what some BSD people do. They scrounge GPL'd Linux kernel code for 'inspiration' and 'ideas' and then try to obfuscate it by renaming variables and rearranging code. Sometimes they are a little bit careless and this results in blatant copyright infringement.

    http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux....s.general/1558

    Really there's a fine line between copying ideas and copying code. A line that can be easily crossed even if you do have good intent. Since it's not uncommon to end up implementing the ideas exactly the same way as the code where you got the ideas from in the first place.

    Surely you don't want to go that road, and I don't think Mesa would accept it.

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    • That Theo guy sounds bloody scary.

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      • Originally posted by tball View Post
        Well what about getting ideas from it then?
        First I would kindly ask the original authors if you can get their code under a Mesa-compatible license (MIT/BSD/X11/you name it). That's the simplest thing you can do and the least time consuming in the end. I believe they will be interested in GPU-accelerated video decoding.

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        • Originally posted by monraaf View Post
          That's what some BSD people do. They scrounge GPL'd Linux kernel code for 'inspiration' and 'ideas' and then try to obfuscate it by renaming variables and rearranging code. Sometimes they are a little bit careless and this results in blatant copyright infringement.

          http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux....s.general/1558
          Funny, it's also what some Linux people do. They scourge BSD code for inspiration and ideas and then blatantly violate the license by removing the text of the license... Despite the fact that they could have just legally used the code if they had kept the license in place:

          http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=a...20070829001634

          Adam

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          • I have written an email to the author, kindly asking him to re-release the source-code under a MIT license. It is his libmpeg2 project I want to be MIT licensed:
            http://libmpeg2.sourceforge.net

            If I can't get it under a MIT, I won't be releasing my current vdpau implementation. I would have to redo too much work writing a bitstream parser from the scratch. My summer vacation is ending soon unfortunately and probably won't have much time spending on the backend.

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            • You don't need the whole library (he probably won't agree to that), you only need the parts that you have used to be dual-licensed. That is more likely to work.

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              • In the worst case, you can still make your library standalone and make Mesa load it when available.

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                • Why does intel bother close sourcing their drivers anyway? Its not like anyone buy's intel hardware for graphics performance right?

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                  • Originally posted by dacresbu View Post
                    Why does intel bother close sourcing their drivers anyway? Its not like anyone buy's intel hardware for graphics performance right?
                    In the case of the GMA500, the 3D hardware is licensed from another company so it's not theirs to release.

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                    • Originally posted by adamk View Post
                      Funny, it's also what some Linux people do. They scourge BSD code for inspiration and ideas
                      LOL. Do you really believe that. I know for a fact that a lot of FreeBSD people are drooling over Linux USB, sound and other hardware support. But I can't think of anything special that FreeBSD has to offer.

                      and then blatantly violate the license by removing the text of the license... Despite the fact that they could have just legally used the code if they had kept the license in place:

                      http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=a...20070829001634

                      Adam
                      Ehh no. Someone posted a patch to lkml to remove the copyright notice in question but the patch was never applied; hence there was never a violation of the license, despite the drama the BSD people wanted to create about this.

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                      • Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                        But I can't think of anything special that FreeBSD has to offer.
                        Sane licensing.

                        /ducks

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                        • Originally posted by agd5f View Post
                          In the case of the GMA500, the 3D hardware is licensed from another company so it's not theirs to release.
                          Of course that doesn't explain why they don't release a decent 2D driver...

                          No, one doesn't buy a notebook with the GMA500 for the performance, but for a small, low power solution. I have very specific needs for my notebook and I know of only one single line that fits somewhat, and it runs a GMA500. The Windwos drivers also crap, BTW.

                          I have a little hope that maybe with APUs, the GMA500 would become obsolete, but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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                          • Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                            LOL. Do you really believe that. I know for a fact that a lot of FreeBSD people are drooling over Linux USB, sound and other hardware support. But I can't think of anything special that FreeBSD has to offer.
                            A friendly monraaf-free community.

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                            • But I can't think of anything special that FreeBSD has to offer.
                              You can write closed source code for big companies without getting paid?

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                              • Originally posted by adamk View Post
                                A friendly monraaf-free community.
                                Can't argue with that, the FreeBSD community is definitely a monraaf-free community

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