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  • #16
    The catch is that "software rendered" is a *different* problem from "hardware rendered but really slow" to a developer, with different troubleshooting steps and different potential solutions. I realize it doesn't seem any different from a user perspective, of course, just trying to save you time & frustration

    Can you update your bug ticket with the renderer string info ?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by bridgman View Post
      The catch is that "software rendered" is a *different* problem from "hardware rendered but really slow" to a developer, with different troubleshooting steps and different potential solutions. I realize it doesn't seem any different from a user perspective, of course, just trying to save you time & frustration

      Can you update your bug ticket with the renderer string info ?
      Ok, you have convinced me . I think I'll return to KMS for now (I would have never thought I would say that), but my poor computer's usability will suffer a lot.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
        Well... a radeon 9000 is quite ancient. It was obsolete long before AMD acquired ati, and the current open source push was initiated by AMD, particularly in preparation for FUSION products (which was one of the big objectives of acquiring ati to begin with). Though obviously a few people still have R200's, the fact that they are pushing a DECADE OLD and have mostly (by far) been retired, really makes it a weird idea to put tons of dev resources into their support.

        Particularly, the reason why R300's are being supported still, despite being pretty old themselves, is probably because they just came along for the ride with the R500's, which are only 4-5 years old.

        You know, at what point do you drop support for 8088 CPU from the linux kernel altogether? And sure, despite how ancient these things are, there are still a few kicking around -- I think I've still got a couple of them myself. Wouldn't even dream of powering them on though
        Actually mainline Linux needs a 386 with math coprocessor minimum. However, with ELKS it can run on an 8088. The sad part is that that project seems to be abandoned.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
          Actually mainline Linux needs a 386 with math coprocessor minimum. However, with ELKS it can run on an 8088. The sad part is that that project seems to be abandoned.
          The math emulator has been dropped?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by curaga View Post
            The math emulator has been dropped?
            Sorry, no math coprocessor required. My mistake.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by bridgman View Post
              I think people are saying that you're penalized for using/buying an older laptop with an older card, period.

              That said, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to get it running, but you do need to be a bit nicer to the people who are trying to help.
              I don't think so. If it was an older Nvidia or Intel card, I don't think it would be as bad. Anyway, I rebooted (I guess I forgot?!?) and there seems to be a change after that. I now get around 956FPS when I run glxgears. That's a big difference over the 100 or so I was getting. The negative is, by some coincidence, my Google Earth seems to be 'broken.' It won't start anymore and I get an 'error' message. I am not sure if that problem is outside the scope of this topic or category but the log seems to have mention of DRI and the R200 of the card. I think it's related to the 'proper' install or optimization of the video drivers. But, I'm only speculating.

              Anyway, I think there was an improvement over the previous driver install but something is still wrong.

              My original post was just frustration. I am stuck using this old laptop for now and it seems most apps I install have some issue related to the video drivers. Also, there are hardware issues (unrelated) but that's something else.

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              • #22
                Google Earth has been broken on r300 and r500 since it's most recent release. I'd assume the same is true for r200, though I honestly don't know whose fault the crash is.

                Adam

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                • #23
                  EDIT: I meant r300 and r600. Obviously r500 is true as well since it uses the r300 driver.

                  Adam

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by adamk View Post
                    Google Earth has been broken on r300 and r500 since it's most recent release. I'd assume the same is true for r200, though I honestly don't know whose fault the crash is.
                    Run in the google earth directory:

                    LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. gdb ./googleearth-bin

                    And please post the backtrace.

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                    • #25
                      Out of curiosity: was this latest somewhat working situation with kernel modesetting or without?

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                      • #26
                        Is that question to me?

                        I don't think it's enabled right now. I suspect it wasn't enabled before - do you have to manually change between the two settings?

                        I use Gmail and I am finding more problems logging in. I wonder if Google is slipping as a whole.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Panix View Post
                          I don't think it's enabled right now. I suspect it wasn't enabled before - do you have to manually change between the two settings?
                          Normal people boot when switching KMS on and off. (no offense to the people originally developing KMS )
                          Yes, you do have to enable it manually. Kernel parameter on boot is the common way to do it. I think first page of this thread included talk on this.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by marek View Post
                            Run in the google earth directory:

                            LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. gdb ./googleearth-bin

                            And please post the backtrace.
                            http://pastebin.com/684n0eNa

                            And here's the crashlog from google earth:

                            http://pastebin.com/i8DN55Kh

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by adamk View Post
                              http://pastebin.com/684n0eNa

                              And here's the crashlog from google earth:

                              http://pastebin.com/i8DN55Kh
                              I've been hitting this issue too. I am not sure whose bug this is, but Google Earth is the only application that can trigger it. It was already reported to Google some time ago.

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                              • #30
                                But, users with non-ATI cards claim GE work fine?

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