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  • #46
    @elanthis

    I have got a HD 5670 and it is too slow for DX11/OpenGL4 with tesselation. Only without tesselation and only 1280x1024 res it has more than 25 fps with Unigine Heaven. That's everything but a card for gamers.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Kano View Post
      I have got a HD 5670 and it is too slow for DX11/OpenGL4 with tesselation. Only without tesselation and only 1280x1024 res it has more than 25 fps with Unigine Heaven. That's everything but a card for gamers.
      I have to agree here. Trying DirectX 11 / OpenGL 4.x features will put major stress on lower-end cards. I don't care how "pretty" a game is; if it has low enough FPS to the point of being like a slideshow, then it's about as useful as a slideshow.

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      • #48
        I didn't buy an Evergreen card to have the latest and greatest, and frankly I couldn't care less about OpenGL 4. For me they were simply the first cards where you didn't have to buy the lowest end of the spectrum to get decent power consumption. My card probably spends 95% of the time just displaying a normal Desktop and with Evergreen it looks like they finally got a clue about power consumption.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
          Your last paragraph, although has some point, is really just 'sore grape' attitude.

          Without high end R&D, there will be no mainstream derivatives. It is the development of the high end burns most of the development cash so we 'average joe' could afford some shaped down new technology.

          Also you are way off topic. What are we discussing about? Oh R800 OSS support. My point still is: by the time R800 OSS support comes out R800 would be outdated. No matter you are buying a 5970 or a 5430, they are both the same.

          I am just trying to see the OSS support timing problem from a subjective point of view, not some 'I bought it, so it must be good' way. Outdated is outdated, no matter how hard you try to cover it up. You can still use it yes, but it is outdated. lol
          no you are wrong the hd5430 is much better for the opensource driver because the opensource driver do not support crossfire! and i think will never support this! ok maybe not never but in the next 2 years ;-)

          so your Point fails complete... the biggest card for the opensource driver is the 5870!

          and hey.. the 5870 is the fanboy edition card ;-)

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kano View Post
            @elanthis

            I have got a HD 5670 and it is too slow for DX11/OpenGL4 with tesselation. Only without tesselation and only 1280x1024 res it has more than 25 fps with Unigine Heaven. That's everything but a card for gamers.
            kano you are 'wrong' the hd5670 is better for gamers because dx11 is faster for the exact same graphic result as dx10 or dx9!

            the hd5670 is better because more fps per WATT!! than the hd4000 or hd3000 or nvidia gtx400 !!!

            and hey Catalyst 10-8 will speed up tessellation for 10-20% ;-)

            and the hd5670 is the better card because of the very good openCL support ;-)

            thats because hd4000 emulate 1 gpu cache in vram very slow..
            and hd3000 do not support opencL..



            but hey,,, kano we all know your LOVE to amd ;-)

            PLEASE buy an nvidia GTX485X2 super duber and be happy

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            • #51
              Originally posted by BlueJayofEvil View Post
              I have to agree here. Trying DirectX 11 / OpenGL 4.x features will put major stress on lower-end cards. I don't care how "pretty" a game is; if it has low enough FPS to the point of being like a slideshow, then it's about as useful as a slideshow.
              you are wrong thats because for the exact same result dx11/openGL is much faster up to 40% because of texture compression and the bandwidth save from dropping bumpmap-textures and use of tessellation.

              for the same result on OLDER cards you need high Quality bumpmap textures and this kills the Vram bandwith means very very slow!

              if you use lowend textures near by zero and tiny dose of tesselation you save much on Vram bandwidh means you cann put lowend RAM on the GPU or use a IGP for the SAME result!!

              yes if you wana have much better quality result you need a huge GPU but lowend gamers don't care they wana have nerly the same result on less powerconsuming and less vram-banchwidh because thats save money!

              in the past vram bandwidh (hugh bumpmap-textures)use kills the IGP and lowend GPU's

              AND!!!!!!!! Bumpmap textures don't work on stereoscopic 3D output ;-)

              so you NEEED Tesselation for 'stereoscopic 3D' support

              or you will have very very ugle games in steroscopic3D view ;-)

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              • #52
                Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                Remember, those $400 GPUs and $1000 CPUs are NOT MEANT FOR REAL PEOPLE. Uber nerds who live in their parents' basement and don't date anybody buy those things. Benchmark sites and magazines buy those things. Suckers who get talked into it by uber nerds who don't really know any better buy those things. Nobody else does.
                I feel offended that i'm not a real person. Apparently i'm a magazine.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
                  I feel offended that i'm not a real person. Apparently i'm a magazine.
                  he dismiss something if you are a OpenCL dev or user you can use a HD5870/2gb vram up to 100% 365 days a Year!

                  the people just think about playing 3D games if they watch a HD5870

                  but they miss the part that the HD5870 is one of the fucking fastest OpenCL cards... around...

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                    the hd5670 is better for gamers because dx11 is faster for the exact same graphic result as dx10 or dx9!
                    Come on, the games are still dx9 with some dx10/11 shit.
                    When dx11 will be available the 5670 will be old and slow enough to be useless.
                    ## VGA ##
                    AMD: X1950XTX, HD3870, HD5870
                    Intel: GMA45, HD3000 (Core i5 2500K)

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                    • #55
                      So for which games you want to use that card now? When you want to play dx10 games you can buy a 4850 too which should be much faster.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
                        Without high end R&D, there will be no mainstream derivatives. It is the development of the high end burns most of the development cash so we 'average joe' could afford some shaped down new technology.
                        There's a little truth to that, but usually a $1000 CPU is just a cherry-picked die of a $500 CPU, sold for the prestige of having "the fastest" rather than for any technological reason. Also, AFAICT the bulk of the money doesn't get dumped into any specific bin but rather into updating the technology base generally. I suspect that high-end stuff comes out first because it's better for marketing, because taking a working big/fast chip and scaling it down is less likely to cause problems than taking a working small/slow chip and scaling it up, and because the gaming/enthusiast market is where early bugs are most likely to be tolerated (since they really just want the horsepower and probably won't really care if e.g. suspend/resume doesn't work 100% of the time or there's the occasional minor rendering artifact, whereas corporate customers will probably want something a bit more solid/refined).

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
                          Lol too late, I nearly bought a pair of HD 5850 yesterday, but judging that I won't even get '''2D''' accelerated desktop in Linux, I gave up the chance and went to SLI GTX 460 instead. Couldn't be happier
                          Happier? Is this sarcasm? You puchased proprietary-only board instead of purchasing board with proprietary drivers for now and opensource later?

                          I was in same situation and had to take 4770 instead of 5770.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                            "Open-Source AMD/ATI Linux >"

                            i think this part of forum is crap free ;-) no 'fglrx' in my writing.
                            Lol, dude, 5 Stars!

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Kano View Post
                              So for which games you want to use that card now? When you want to play dx10 games you can buy a 4850 too which should be much faster.
                              Use 4770 instead. At same perfomance it by far produces less heat and wattage drain.

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                              • #60
                                I do not "use" ati in the normal term. I test fglrx with hd 4 and hd 5 series - and i compare drivers Linux vs. Win. And of course video accelleration...

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