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  • Nvidia deside to abadon opensource, I deside to abadon Nvidia.

    Because of this and this, I have desided to switch from Nvidia Geforce 9800 gt green to AMD Radeon HD4770 and support AMD from now on.

    Nvidia is closing the last opensource driver they maintained and their main driver in essence is windows driver, remapped to posix; whilst AMD has improved native opensource linux stack, now with OpenGL acceleration.

    I do NOT feel like supporting Nvidia "efforts" anymore!

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    HD4770 is my best option, because its R700, which already has 3D accel, unlike tba R800; and it is the only chip in 40nm fab in whole HD4xxx series, which means its efficient. The problem - it is HARD to find.

    Because I need upgrade anyway, I desided to go straight and purchase amd cpu and motherboard as well. Intel, while also supporting opensource, did not provide enough GPU power for ocassional gaming and for exact same amount of money, I prefer 4 real cores instead of 2 real 2 HT'ed(i3-540).

    Check it out and you are free to change as well, to show you care for opensource AMD on GNU/Linux.

    s775 Dual Core E5300--> sAM3 Athlon II X3 630
    Asrock P43ME ---> Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-UD2H
    Gainward 9800GT Green--->Powercolor HD4770 + AC Accelero L2
    4 gb of ddr2 ram converted to ddr3...




    Initially targeted XFX HD4770 for blow-out airpipe, I was unable to find it in my region. So here comes Powercolor card with aftermarket cooling. This knife was the only "screwdriver" which passed to original screws on the powercolor card. Nobody was hurt in the process.




    Attaching stuff:


    Home rig, running gentoo64:


    Before, notice Gf9800gt in the slot:
    79
    Yes, I will.
    82.28%
    65
    No, I stay Nvidia and enjoy binary blobs.
    11.39%
    9
    I dont know.
    6.33%
    5

  • #2
    Hot stuff! Nvidia is banned!:

    Intel E5300 leaving as well:

    Thats it! X4 630 and HD4770 in place:


    Im running this machine now

    Thats 350 invested in your hardware as an appreciation of what you do to opensource community! Thanks AMD!

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    • #3
      Great move :-)

      Which distribution are you using? If it's Ubuntu (10.04 LTS), please remember they do not ship with Mesa 7.8 which offers OpenGL 2 support for the card. It shouldn't be too long until the r600g (Gallium3D) development starts though, fun times

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      • #4
        Originally posted by d2kx View Post
        Great move :-)

        Which distribution are you using? If it's Ubuntu (10.04 LTS), please remember they do not ship with Mesa 7.8 which offers OpenGL 2 support for the card. It shouldn't be too long until the r600g (Gallium3D) development starts though, fun times
        Gentoo x86_64
        I added kernel, xorg and all drivers with ~ keyword (testing); now running gentoo-kernel 2.6.33-r1, xorg 1.8, libdrm 2.4.20, used "fat" kernel cfg from ubuntu build as a base and plan to build sleek kernel tomorrow using kernelseeds

        But I always have Ubuntu on-a-stick just for the case

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        • #5
          Erm.. the cpu is Athlon II X4 630. Not X3. I cannot edit first post :/

          Also, sorry for spelling, its of course "deCide". Lol, 2 mistakes in the post header, need more sleep.. :/

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          • #6
            So which poll option should I select? The only non-AMD-CPUs I've used in a desktop were M680x0 and I finally replaced my nvidia GPU last december.

            HD4770 is a pretty good choice. If I didn't want the third display, I'd have chosen that one, too.


            I noticed that your cat is suspiciously absent from the photos once you used that knife. Coincidence?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
              Because of this and this, I have desided to switch from Nvidia Geforce 9800 gt green to AMD Radeon HD4770 and support AMD from now on.

              Nvidia is closing the last opensource driver they maintained and their main driver in essence is windows driver, remapped to posix; whilst AMD has improved native opensource linux stack, now with OpenGL acceleration.
              In all fairness the second link you posted regards the r300g driver, looking at the commit logs and the copyright of the source files this driver is mostly an effort of Corbin Simpson and Marek Olk. A third party effort not much to do with AMD. I think something similar is going for NVidia cards with the nouveau driver.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rohcQaH View Post
                So which poll option should I select? The only non-AMD-CPUs I've used in a desktop were M680x0 and I finally replaced my nvidia GPU last december.

                HD4770 is a pretty good choice. If I didn't want the third display, I'd have chosen that one, too.


                I noticed that your cat is suspiciously absent from the photos once you used that knife. Coincidence?
                Thanks!
                She is fine, Im actually happy she allowed me to replace the hardware You know, the amount of statical electricity...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                  In all fairness the second link you posted regards the r300g driver, looking at the commit logs and the copyright of the source files this driver is mostly an effort of Corbin Simpson and Marek Olk. A third party effort not much to do with AMD. I think something similar is going for NVidia cards with the nouveau driver.
                  What I have meant is Gallium3D.
                  I see impressive amount of work done on it and AMD supporting it.
                  Noveau is not supported (I think its even hated, since they pointed to vesa driver) by nvidia.

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                  • #10
                    Hey, no option for "I'm already AMD"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                      In all fairness the second link you posted regards the r300g driver, looking at the commit logs and the copyright of the source files this driver is mostly an effort of Corbin Simpson and Marek Olk. A third party effort not much to do with AMD. I think something similar is going for NVidia cards with the nouveau driver.
                      For the Gallum3D Driver the free docs are used and the DRM Kernel Module. Without it the 3D driver didn't work.

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                      • #12
                        My desktop and previous 2 laptops all used AMD/ATI. My current laptop uses Nvidia and frankly, it has been a lot less hassle to use their blob.

                        It seems that the majority of people who post on these forums are enthusiasts, and the majority of enthusiasts are gamers. I just wanted to point out that there's a large population of users who don't use OpenGL (don't even know or care what it is), all they need is for their computer to let them run office apps, surf the web, and watch videos.

                        On this score, AMD still has a lot of catching up to do on the Linux front. This absence of support is going to keep more users on either Nvidia or Windows, neither of which is a good thing as far as open source advancement goes. fglrx/XvBA is also a joke, it hardly supports any video cards, so even AMD/closed source is not viable on Linux.

                        For the vast majority of computer users, ATI+Linux has zero value today. That bums me out quite a lot, I would prefer to be using all AMD/ATI. But on the hardware side (laptops) the products aren't there, and on the software side, the support isn't there.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                          It shouldn't be too long until the r600g (Gallium3D) development starts though, fun times
                          It has already been started in Jerome Glisse's private branch.

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                          • #14
                            well i have to say, amd fusion is a killer solution. from the killer bang for the buck Athlon II/Phenom II CPU, to the mobos with AMD chiset and the cheap really fast GPU's. the only thing AMD is missing to make fusion a reality in the linux side is the completion of the basic GL 2.1 support in the OSS driver (very close btw in mesa 7.9). so dont desperate

                            as a note Xorg 1.8 is rocking too

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by highlandsun View Post
                              My desktop and previous 2 laptops all used AMD/ATI. My current laptop uses Nvidia and frankly, it has been a lot less hassle to use their blob.

                              It seems that the majority of people who post on these forums are enthusiasts, and the majority of enthusiasts are gamers. I just wanted to point out that there's a large population of users who don't use OpenGL (don't even know or care what it is), all they need is for their computer to let them run office apps, surf the web, and watch videos.

                              On this score, AMD still has a lot of catching up to do on the Linux front. This absence of support is going to keep more users on either Nvidia or Windows, neither of which is a good thing as far as open source advancement goes. fglrx/XvBA is also a joke, it hardly supports any video cards, so even AMD/closed source is not viable on Linux.

                              For the vast majority of computer users, ATI+Linux has zero value today. That bums me out quite a lot, I would prefer to be using all AMD/ATI. But on the hardware side (laptops) the products aren't there, and on the software side, the support isn't there.
                              Yes, if you would carefully scroll through the pictures, you would notice I was Nvidia user, exactly because the only trouble is installing the blob.

                              But then, nvidia closes lastest opensource, all nvidia does is using windows driver on linux and remapping calls to it(including vdpau). This has no way any future on linux, it is more like patching linux OS to support their windows driver.

                              What do you do on linux? There is barely any native gaming, 3D wine does not count too(because it is windows on linux). And nvidia kind of writing drivers will never allow linux to outperform windows, just because nvidia is a windows driver. Correct kernel integragtion, 2D, powermanagement, basic opengl 3D are there, in opensource. By whom? I have a lot of friends that use AMD on graphics linux and it is usable.
                              I personally have installed Xubuntu on Asus A6rp netbook with AMD xpress 200M chipset 2 years ago and 3D acceleration worked and was sufficient for compiz. It worked with opensource drivers. It works.

                              I never like to speak for majority, because individual human is always clever, but once there is a bunch - they react stupid. Majority comes to never goes to PC shops either, they buy Dell(or similar), they dont care about OS, dont care about hardware, they even dont care about programs. They care they can surf internet, play games and listen music. Only once they start paying for antivirus, become hacked, their system dies and they pay to repair it and realise they have to pay bug amount of money to renew software licenses they start thinking and asking and this way they come to linux. Such people will never change anything - they are inertia, critical mass. It was microsofts goal to rich critical mass. Watch here:
                              0:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_u1jPLOIA

                              I dont want WINE to claim it is linux interface for programmers, I dont want developers use WINE and say their program is for linux. This is plain WRONG, there is SDL!

                              I dont want to buy nvidia cards, that do not care about linux and handle it as a second hand OS. Even if nvidia linux-crew does amazing job at remapping, they do not represent the company.

                              I acknowledge gnu/linux as much more advanced method and technology for software development and do not want windows for the future. This is why I stop supporting them via any traces.

                              Thats why I sold nvidia card and bought AMD card with similar perfomance. This wasnt part of upgrade, it was part of support. Im individual, I think and I support. I dont eat at McDonalds btw(maybe except McFlurry ), so Im happy to not belong to the brainless "mass".

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