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  • #11
    I feel a ban comping if you keep being th?t impolite
    I don't care for the ban, because as you see by the nick I have chosen, I am not here to stay, I am here to say the truth, that unfortunately can't be expressed in a polite way given situation (of the driver).


    Yeah, I'd be surprised if it wasn't gordboy doing ban evasion on another username.
    I'd be suprised if most of you that I call "monkey auto bots" are not just one person payed by AMD to spread "general satisfaction opinions" about the driver, because right now (and for years already) nvidia users (that know what is going on) of *nix desktops and workstations are laughing at AMD's attemps that haven't yet delivered anything, and we are already in 2010.

    gordboy-fan, you really have three options here with respect to the open source driver development.

    One is that you can do a deep dive and learn about the driver internals, in which case you will then understand that the work done over the last year, while maybe not producing a lot of the things you wanted, was an essential pre-requisite for the user-visible features you *do* want like power management and improved 3D.

    The second option is to learn to trust the developers a bit more, and accept that maybe there was a good reason for the last two years of rearchitecture work even if you don't fully understand the reasons yourself.

    The third option is to ignore the underlying issues and the rationale for moving to a new architectural base and focus only on the immediately user-visible benefits, but than you will be choosing to stay out of touch with the reality of the development effort and will remain unhappy with the open source driver work until it "suddenly and magically" turns into what you always wanted and you find yourself looking for a reason that things "improved so quickly" after what seemed like a year or more of wasted effort.
    You know what, from all these years as a linux "user" I never had the need to use git or even learn how it works for any of the software I have ever used, this is considered a success for the linux ecosystem. This however changed with your driver. I was also never interested in learning the xorg/mesa/drm/kms/exa crap internals, But I ended up knowing useless stuff about them because of a useless driver, because I had to, to be able to use it.

    Can you say your above answer to a complain from a "windows" version of the catalyst driver? Of course not,
    In the *nix area, you think that the only competitor is your own driver and not nvidia's. nvidia delivers and delivers and delivers for years. A sane person is comparing radeon to nvidia, not to fglrx like you do.

    You don't deliver now, you haven't delivered in the past, and you are still taking the same path with no changes or alternative roadmap, so nothing says that you will deliver.

    btw, I say all these and I am an AMD/ATI fanboy (I became one from the windows area of course). Imagine what the truth would be for me if I wasn't one.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by gordboy-fan View Post
      I'd be suprised if most of you that I call "monkey auto bots" are not just one person payed by AMD to spread "general satisfaction opinions" about the driver, because right now (and for years already) nvidia users (that know what is going on) of *nix desktops and workstations are laughing at AMD's attemps that haven't yet delivered anything, and we are already in 2010.
      Off all the conspiracy theories I've heard in my life, this has to be among the lamest. Congratulations, gordboy.

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      • #13
        You are feeding him ... again ...

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        • #14
          Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
          You are feeding him ... again ...
          Pardon me, I'll just get back to toying with git trees. :3

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          • #15
            Wau gordboy(-fan)! You made me create a user of this (normally great forum).

            I have a question: "What is wrong with you?".

            Did you read bridgman's response? Well apparently you didn't understand ANYTHING he cleverly wrote to you. They had to make fundamentally changes in the linux gfx stack, before they could even start making all the good things a modern graphic stack should be. Fundamentally changes in the linux driver stack, is not something you write in two weeks!

            As bridgman said, when all the fundamental things is finished, you will start seeing improvement to the radeon driver faster than you do today.
            Originally posted by gordboy-fan
            unfortunately can't be expressed in a polite way
            Well impolite questions lead to impolite answers from users of this forum.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
              Off all the conspiracy theories I've heard in my life, this has to be among the lamest.
              You must be new here. Welcome to the internet!

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              • #17
                It is so funny that you all took my conspiracy theory so seriously, because the point of it was that:

                1. I am not gordboy ...

                2. These specific users, are so ignorant, clueless and extreme fanboys that are just like they are getting paid to be so. And the fact that I am explaining this double-proves that.

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                • #18
                  How can it be fanboyism having an idea how hard/long it takes to re-write the whole graphic stack of linux?

                  Well if you are not gordboy, you must be his mother. Because you have exactly the same type of 'ignore the facts' thingy as gordboy.

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                  • #19
                    Darn. I can't edit by previous post because of some 1 min edit limit. I just wanted to edit my last post which became too offensive. I don't want to spread FUD in this forum, but got alittle 'upset' before.

                    Apologies goes to gordboy-fan for calling him gordboy's mother.

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                    • #20
                      OK - I haven't posted before...

                      Hi,

                      I too have created a username specially to decloak and have a rant. I would like to share my real-world experience with being a developer on an Open Source project (I worked on a fairly complex video project on Sourceforge).

                      I found that working on Open Source was a real pain. The theory that people will come and "help" is simply not true. You get lots of people complaining, telling you how you are wrong (despite them obviously not having a clue), and lots... lots... lots... of University students asking you to do their course work for them.

                      So, I quit doing that work and got a job. Lo and Behold: (1) Money - quite a lot of it (2) You don't have to deal with idiots on mailing lists (3) Managers who are paid to talk to ***PAYING*** customers (and we are not talking $50 for a graphics card here) (4) Did I mention being paid money?

                      I really don't know why agd5f and Bridgman still post here. Frankly I wouldn't bother with all the repeated questions and crap they have to deal with. It's not like they have any control over the number of developers that AMD assign to the Open Source projects (it looks like three or four).

                      I have taken a look through the Radeon code and even without a lot of 3D experience, I can see that these guys know their stuff. I can also see that there would be people willing to pay good money for 3D support on Linux (and I am not thinking about people trying to run games under Wine). I would recommend that AMD and NVidia stop wasting their time producing free Linux drivers and start charging maybe $150 per user per year for paying customers.

                      Trust me, in the proprietary world, you wouldn't get near to guys with this much skill and knowledge, even if you paid loads of money for support you'd be routed to customer support in India.

                      If you don't like what the Radeon guys do, then buy a Nvidia or Intel card or something. The Nvidia driver locks up my machine hard when doing 3D BTW.

                      If you think that you can do the development, I neither believe you have the skill, nor that you would invest the necessary time. Point me to your site on SourceForge to prove me wrong (if you do, you'll have a lot of respect from me).

                      I love Open Source and think that it is really amazing because I couldn't afford to buy Solaris or other high-end software, much less get to see how it works at source code level. Let's face it though: Most open source is simply freeloading off Red Hat and Novell's paying customers.

                      End rant. I hope agd5f et al hang around here, ATI video drivers aren't my main interest in life, but I like hearing from real developers working on real code.

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