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  • r300/500 rant

    is anything new in store for us r300/r500 suckers that are stuck with the open source driver ? all i keep seeing of late on phoronix is news about r600, r700 and that evergreen crap.

    i can't upgrade my card, it's a laptop. all of those other chips still have catalyst support afaik - mine is right about at the cut off mark of support drop, making it one of the most capable cards ati has decided to let go.

    the open source driver is a nice effort but it's not a capable driver. outside of doing a little compositing and running glxgears, things are horrible. there are numerous applications - and i dont just mean through wine, im talking about linux native apps - that a quick google search will reveal run just fine using catalyst, nvidia or intel drivers. most 'bug reports' and complaints come from people like me who have to use the radeon drivers.

    i dont think id be so worried if i kept seeing a steady stream of improvements to my incomplete driver; problem is all you guys seem to be on these days is providing support for cards that already have it, and while bringing superficially functional features like kms to the driver that can't even render sh*t to begin with.

    so pls get you crap in order.

  • #2
    It's possible you are not aware of the work being done on the Gallium3D driver for R3xx-R5xx. Most of the changes being made are the "hard but not particularly newsworthy" work that makes the difference between a science project and a real driver, so even if you aren't seeing constant updates in Phoronix there is a lot of work happening there :

    http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mes...m/drivers/r300

    Everything you see in that change log is specific to the r3xx-5xx range.

    You need KMS (or, strictly speaking, the GEM/TTM memory manager that comes with KMS) in order to get support above GL 1.5 level, and you need to get above the GL 1.5 level in order to run most of the apps you are talking about.

    If you aren't running KMS today then I strongly suggest you start; and once you are running KMS you can start testing the Gallium3D driver. I don't think the devs would say it's ready for general use yet, but at least you can see the progress and understand where the driver stack is going.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by pedepy View Post
      is anything new in store for us r300/r500 suckers that are stuck with the open source driver ? all i keep seeing of late on phoronix is news about r600, r700 and that evergreen crap.

      i can't upgrade my card, it's a laptop. all of those other chips still have catalyst support afaik - mine is right about at the cut off mark of support drop, making it one of the most capable cards ati has decided to let go.

      the open source driver is a nice effort but it's not a capable driver. outside of doing a little compositing and running glxgears, things are horrible. there are numerous applications - and i dont just mean through wine, im talking about linux native apps - that a quick google search will reveal run just fine using catalyst, nvidia or intel drivers. most 'bug reports' and complaints come from people like me who have to use the radeon drivers.

      i dont think id be so worried if i kept seeing a steady stream of improvements to my incomplete driver; problem is all you guys seem to be on these days is providing support for cards that already have it, and while bringing superficially functional features like kms to the driver that can't even render sh*t to begin with.

      so pls get you crap in order.
      By the time they get their 'crap in order' your laptop will long be obsolete. Need a proper running performance driver in the mean time? All you will get is a 'we hear you, we understand but sucks to be you' reply back.

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      • #4
        I you want fglrx support then buy a new laptop, you can't expect AMD to support old junk forever. Besides fglrx isn't really that good, in fact it's quite a horrible driver. So I don't really understand these comments of 'being stuck' with the oss driver. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side, or at least that's what people tend to think.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by monraaf View Post
          I you want fglrx support then buy a new laptop, you can't expect AMD to support old junk forever. Besides fglrx isn't really that good, in fact it's quite a horrible driver. So I don't really understand these comments of 'being stuck' with the oss driver. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side, or at least that's what people tend to think.
          Items purchased less then 2 years ago is 'old junk'?

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          • #6
            If you buy them second-hand it could be . Personally I think 3 years is a reasonable time for a hardware vendor to offer support for its products.

            If you happen to buy new hardware that's nearing its end of life support, it's really your own fault IMHO.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by monraaf View Post
              If you buy them second-hand it could be . Personally I think 3 years is a reasonable time for a hardware vendor to offer support for its products.

              If you happen to buy new hardware that's nearing its end of life support, it's really your own fault IMHO.
              The 690G chipset was still alive and well up to a couple of years ago.

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              • #8
                In fact, it is still current.
                http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._14603,00.html

                Notice it isn't placed in legacy?

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                • #9
                  Your hardware is still supported in a supported distro. There is just no support for new distros. It's the same on windows, MS just doesn't release new distros as often.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by agd5f View Post
                    Your hardware is still supported in a supported distro. There is just no support for new distros. It's the same on windows, MS just doesn't release new distros as often.
                    Some of those "supported distros" are reaching EOL (no updates, no security patches) in 4 months. See the problem here?

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                    • #11
                      Yep, although others (eg Ubuntu 8.04 LTS) should be good for another year or so.

                      The Gallium3D driver is making pretty good progress so hopefully one should arrive before t'other goes away.

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                      • #12
                        I'm not really sure what everyone is bitching about. What apps are not running or rendering correctly? I'm running R500 (X1600) on Macbook Pro. The OSS driver is much better behaved than the proprietary driver ever was for me. I have always had a video tearing problem with FGLRX but none with the OSS driver. I'm running 2.6.33-rc8 and DRM / Mesa / xf68-video-ati from git and am quite happy with the progress of the driver stack.

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                        • #13
                          Radeon is much more stable than fglrx ever was on either my laptop's 200M or my backup desktop's 9800pro. 2D is fast and 3D actually works. Support for those chips with radeon is much better at the moment than on r6xx/r7xx hardware anyway (they got more advanced OpenGL functionality in the driver, but that means squat when most applications end up crashing or having glitches).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                            I you want fglrx support then buy a new laptop, you can't expect AMD to support old junk forever. Besides fglrx isn't really that good, in fact it's quite a horrible driver. So I don't really understand these comments of 'being stuck' with the oss driver. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side, or at least that's what people tend to think.
                            I think he was talking about dwindling support for the current OSS driver:

                            i dont think id be so worried if i kept seeing a steady stream of improvements to my incomplete driver;
                            But, thanks for offering to buy us owners of old notebooks, brand new laptops! So nice of you! When do I get mine?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                              Some of those "supported distros" are reaching EOL (no updates, no security patches) in 4 months. See the problem here?

                              Yes, some. Do you mean that it's ATI's problem if Canonical supports its (supposed to be) Long Term Support release for JUST 3 years?
                              I mean:
                              • Red Hat -> 7 years or more
                              • Windows XP -> 11 years
                              • Windows Vista -> much more than 3 years for sure

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