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  • #16
    Yeah sorry. Wrote readtex instead of backbuffer. Fixed UseGLSL. Thanks.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dard View Post
      I'm confused.
      All I get from Wine so far doesn't seem to be much more than software rendering with with one or two fps.
      I thought this was because the drivers are still so incomplete, yet it seems like there are people here that already use wine for serious gaming.

      Okay, I still use wine 1.0.1, but can this really be the problem?
      Can you point me to a tutorial how to get wine running with the free radeon drivers?
      wine 1.1.36 is much better than 1.0.1... 1.0 is very outdated

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      • #18
        Originally posted by barkas View Post
        Those guys can reiterate that it's not an emulator all they want, by all common definitions wine IS an emulator.
        It also slows down execution and takes more CPU than the application would native on windows.
        Especially if it has to remap from D3D to GL.
        thats fundamentally wrong wine do not slow down in generall wine also win benchmarks cpu and GPU benchmarks!

        try benchmark 3dmark 2001 on windowsXP and the same on wine...

        wine win the benchmark up to 30%!

        wine only lose benchmarks on realy new 'games' because wine have not implent pre-optimations yet...

        wine win also benchmarks @ WOW...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by rohcQaH View Post
          Fun fact: the OS drivers you use were mainly developed by AMD employees.

          Wine's default configuration seems optimized for nvidia drivers. A bit of manual configuration can give you a nice speed boost. Just experiment with settings in winecfg, with Registry Keys and maybe application settings (tried wc3.exe -opengl ?).

          If a game like WC3 becomes CPU bound, the problem is often the shader compiler. You could try disabling pixel shaders in winecfg, I don't think WC3 even uses those.
          "Wine's default configuration seems optimized for nvidia drivers."

          this is not an nvidia optimized because they crack nvidia only features in the game into a amd card! there some games out in the wild if this games found a amd card the games do not give you all graphic settings if the same game run on nvidia hardware you can get all settings/features...

          so in fact its not an nvidia optimized !

          only a crack for the nvidia:"The Way It's Meant To Be Played" programm

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          • #20
            huh, 3dmark2001 is on ati in wined3d faster than native d3d?, on my nvidia 7800gtx its under windows xp twice as fast as in wine, and on my intel 945gm windows xp is 10 times faster than wine with 3dmark01 (and with wined3d under windows even twice as fast as wine on linux) ._.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by .CME. View Post
              huh, 3dmark2001 is on ati in wined3d faster than native d3d?, on my nvidia 7800gtx its under windows xp twice as fast as in wine, and on my intel 945gm windows xp is 10 times faster than wine with 3dmark01 (and with wined3d under windows even twice as fast as wine on linux) ._.
              Are you able to run wined3d in windows? I didn't knew that.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by tball View Post
                Are you able to run wined3d in windows? I didn't knew that.
                indeed, you can also use it in virtualbox (well, the experimental direct3d option in virtualbox is wined3d) :
                http://wiki.winehq.org/WineD3DOnWindows

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by .CME. View Post
                  indeed, you can also use it in virtualbox (well, the experimental direct3d option in virtualbox is wined3d) :
                  http://wiki.winehq.org/WineD3DOnWindows
                  Cool. Well would you say wined3d in windows is as fast as the native direct3d in windows?

                  I got my source games running very well in wine 1.1.36. Highest graphic settings without HDR though.
                  But the only problem left, is my fps when in close combat I get a low fps when wine has to render other peoples in the screen.

                  Is that due to the higher complexity of objects like a soldier, or is it because of something else?

                  What can I do about it? It doesn't matter if I turn down my graphic.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by tball View Post
                    Cool. Well would you say wined3d in windows is as fast as the native direct3d in windows?

                    I got my source games running very well in wine 1.1.36. Highest graphic settings without HDR though.
                    But the only problem left, is my fps when in close combat I get a low fps when wine has to render other peoples in the screen.

                    Is that due to the higher complexity of objects like a soldier, or is it because of something else?

                    What can I do about it? It doesn't matter if I turn down my graphic.
                    I also got that kind of feeling in battles. Happened lastly in Modern Warfare 2 in Windows.

                    Try these high fps weapon skins:
                    http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/17876

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Larrxi View Post
                      I also got that kind of feeling in battles. Happened lastly in Modern Warfare 2 in Windows.

                      Try these high fps weapon skins:
                      http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/17876
                      Well actually I mostly play insurgency.
                      A low fps "fix" for that game is highly welcome.

                      I don't got the same kind of fps drop in windows.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by .CME. View Post
                        huh, 3dmark2001 is on ati in wined3d faster than native d3d?, on my nvidia 7800gtx its under windows xp twice as fast as in wine, and on my intel 945gm windows xp is 10 times faster than wine with 3dmark01 (and with wined3d under windows even twice as fast as wine on linux) ._.
                        on winehq.org winewiki you can see some benchmarks...

                        wine win on 3dmark 2000 and 2001...

                        http://wiki.winehq.org/FrontPage?act...alue=benchmark

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                          on winehq.org winewiki you can see some benchmarks...

                          wine win on 3dmark 2000 and 2001...

                          http://wiki.winehq.org/FrontPage?act...alue=benchmark
                          You do know those benchmarks are from 20050419? Today they should be better

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by tball View Post
                            You do know those benchmarks are from 20050419? Today they should be better
                            i do not talk abaut the best benchmarkes over the hole world...

                            i only talk abaut a exampel...

                            windows do not win in generell vs wine...

                            wine also can win because wine isn't a emulator wine is a optimator!

                            wine translate old directx8 code in newest openGL3.2 super-shit code.

                            wine is also much faster in cpu based benchmarks up to 244%...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                              i do not talk abaut the best benchmarkes over the hole world...

                              i only talk abaut a exampel...

                              windows do not win in generell vs wine...

                              wine also can win because wine isn't a emulator wine is a optimator!

                              wine translate old directx8 code in newest openGL3.2 super-shit code.

                              wine is also much faster in cpu based benchmarks up to 244%...
                              Sorry Q, but I have a hard time believing that. How come wine has lower performance than windows in graphic related tasks then?

                              Don't get me wrong, I really wish you were right.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by tball View Post
                                Sorry Q, but I have a hard time believing that. How come wine has lower performance than windows in graphic related tasks then?

                                Don't get me wrong, I really wish you were right.
                                over the last 3 years wine rund slower most of the time on an ati/AMD card..
                                because the driver lag on features "nvidia-only-extansions" or OpenGL3.2
                                now its the first time you can have a lucky hand...
                                the winehq benchmarks are 'nvidia' benchmarks if 3dmark2001 runs faster on wine means in real runs faster on an nvidia......

                                there no amd/ati specific benchmarks known windows vs wine.

                                i can make amd/ati win vs wine benchmarks but i have some problems..
                                i do not know how to show the fps... on windows i turn fraps on and makes screenshots with fps ...
                                but on linux.. i start oblivion for exampel and i can not turn fps on.

                                if i found the magic key to turn on fps on top of the screen i can post benchmarks!
                                Last edited by Qaridarium; 01-13-2010, 02:00 AM.

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