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  • #16
    "ForceLowPowerMode" and "LowPowerModeEngineClock" are the options available.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by bridgman View Post
      If you run "man radeonhd" you should see the info (if not then your driver is probably too old ).

      Adding Option "ForceLowPowerMode" "on" to the device section of xorg.conf should work.
      Those options are not in my version of man radeonhd. Adding them to my Xorg, they are ignored. Oh well, it'll trickle into Debian sooner or later.

      Thanks again.

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      • #18
        I'm not sure what is in Debian these days, but xorg-video-ati could do all the 2D things you need using r700 hardware starting with version 6.12.2, which was released in April if I recall correctly.

        The only thing you might need is a newer kernel for the needed drm calls, but nothing from git, a stock vanilla kernel 2.6.31 should work. 2.6.32 definitely will. Back when I was using Debian, compiling your own kernels was something I did regularly, so this shouldn't be too experimental for you. Install the kernel, install the stable driver, and you're set.

        I have a HD 4550, and I can recommend it. It is quiet (fanless), cheap (<$50), consumes little, and has no problems at all driving a full HD display. It is r710 class hardware so 3d still requires compiling experimental code from source, but I've had 2D acceleration for half a year and no problems with it. Despite being passively cooled and not having powersaving, it hasn't overheated yet, despite hours of playing OpenArena.

        You'll get a modern card with fully accelerated 2D, compositing, XVideo, tear-free playback, etc.

        Kernel modesetting, 3D and load-based powersaving are already working, but you'll have to wait for them to stabilise.
        Last edited by pingufunkybeat; 11-25-2009, 07:30 AM.

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        • #19
          I have got the same card (4550), and you did not notice that DVI is broken with radeon and radeonhd? There is a hotfix that works for radeon however. Well i tested it mainly with VGA output because i had my NV card connected via DVI. But to recommend this card is really hard to understand as only the lastest Kanotix snapshots would support it correctly.

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          • #20
            Nope, I've been using DVI exclusively ever since I got it (sometime in April, I believe). I've used stable drivers (2D only), DDX 3D and experimental KMS+3D, and no issues.

            This is the first I've heard of it. What exactly is broken?

            I've only used Radeon, don't know how it is with RadeonHD.

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            • #21
              http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/dri...4628c055c47429

              This should fix this issue. Don't know why this did not happen with your card. My card:

              ATI Technologies Inc RV710 [Radeon HD 4550] [1002:9540] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
              Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:2143]

              I see no fix for radeonhd yet.

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              • #22
                It looks like it doesn't affect all monitors, so maybe my monitor is fine?

                Anyway, if there are issues with 4550 and some monitors, then perhaps it's not the best recommendation. I personally haven't had any trouble, so I didn't even know that such a problem existed.

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                • #23
                  It only affects some users/monitors. None of my cards or monitors exhibited the problem.

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                  • #24
                    Well maybe you need a LG W2242T for your collection

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                    • #25
                      If you're satisfied with the X1300, why not work on getting airflow over the heatsink? You could buy a quiet aftermarket cooler or be creative and find some way to get some airflow over it. EVen a little bit of airflow can make a significant difference in temps.

                      I yes, can someone reccomend an HD card that is quiet, power efficient, and capable of driving a 1920x1200 DVI display?
                      RadeonHD 4350/4550 is your best bet right now if you need a new card. I have a passively cooled Sapphire 4550.

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                      • #26
                        I have a HIS fanless HD4650 - http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-400.shtml. I got it from NewEgg almost a year ago. Sadly they no longer carry it. It works really well with fglrx since I got it (around 9.2) - the only thing that isn't flawless for me is a little tearing in video. Kwin's compositing works great, my gaming isn't very intense but everything I want works, etc.

                        I've been playing around with the open drivers. It's almost ready to be used day-to-day with the OSS stack. I'd wager a couple more months and everything needed will be stable and in distro repositories. Of course to get the best 3D we'll be custom compiling for awhile.
                        Last edited by Tillin9; 11-26-2009, 01:34 AM.

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                        • #27
                          I really think fglrx users do not parallely own a system with nvidia

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DanL View Post
                            If you're satisfied with the X1300, why not work on getting airflow over the heatsink? You could buy a quiet aftermarket cooler or be creative and find some way to get some airflow over it. EVen a little bit of airflow can make a significant difference in temps.


                            RadeonHD 4350/4550 is your best bet right now if you need a new card. I have a passively cooled Sapphire 4550.
                            Sorry for the tardy reply, as I was trying to do what you suggested. As an experiment I did have a 80mm fan positioned to blow air on the X1300's heatsink. Now it's super cool to the touch.

                            But I'm getting the lockups in X that I was getting before. Playing with 3D xscreensavers eventually leads to X freezing. I can still move the X cursor. Can't swicth to a console either. It happens when I watch flash videos in fullscreen using FF 3.5 as well. I can SSH and kill X.

                            So, how do I figure this out? Or should I get a new card. All the details of my system are in my first post.

                            Here is some output from dmesg after killing X:
                            [38683.324341] Pid: 16591, comm: skytentacles Not tainted (2.6.30-1-686 #1) System Product Name
                            [38683.324344] EIP: 0060:[<f81160a3>] EFLAGS: 00210246 CPU: 1
                            [38683.324351] EIP is at radeon_read_ring_rptr+0x1b/0x1e [radeon]
                            [38683.324353] EAX: f4dc3340 EBX: f6963400 ECX: 0000000a EDX: 00000000
                            [38683.324355] ESI: f8b7a000 EDI: f68b8800 EBP: f6fe5534 ESP: f56fbdfc
                            [38683.324358] DS: 007b ES: 007b FS: 00d8 GS: 0000 SS: 0068
                            [38683.324361] Process skytentacles (pid: 16591, ti=f56fa000 task=c3e08df0 task.ti=f56fa000)
                            [38683.324363] Stack:
                            [38683.324364] f811672d f8b7a000 f6963400 f81175b7 f6963400 f68b8800 f8118eb6 00000008
                            [38683.324369] f68b8800 f6994cf8 f8056837 00000008 f4e3abc0 f6994cf8 f6fe5534 c018e319
                            [38683.324374] f70200c0 f4e3abc0 00000000 f69ce780 00000000 c018bb2c f69ce780 00000001
                            [38683.324380] Call Trace:
                            [38683.324382] [<f811672d>] ? radeon_commit_ring+0x47/0x91 [radeon]
                            [38683.324392] [<f81175b7>] ? radeon_do_cp_idle+0x105/0x10e [radeon]
                            [38683.324399] [<f8118eb6>] ? radeon_do_release+0x7f/0x187 [radeon]
                            [38683.324406] [<f8056837>] ? drm_lastclose+0x31/0x232 [drm]
                            [38683.324427] [<c018e319>] ? __fput+0xa6/0x135
                            [38683.324432] [<c018bb2c>] ? filp_close+0x4e/0x54
                            [38683.324436] [<c012855b>] ? put_files_struct+0x60/0xa6
                            [38683.324441] [<c0129b8a>] ? do_exit+0x1a6/0x5b8
                            [38683.324444] [<c0129ffa>] ? do_group_exit+0x5e/0x85
                            [38683.324447] [<c01316fd>] ? get_signal_to_deliver+0x303/0x322
                            [38683.324452] [<c0102623>] ? do_notify_resume+0x64/0x561
                            [38683.324456] [<c012e55f>] ? lock_timer_base+0x19/0x35
                            [38683.324460] [<c019721b>] ? vfs_ioctl+0x50/0x5f
                            [38683.324464] [<c019766e>] ? do_vfs_ioctl+0x444/0x47f
                            [38683.324468] [<f8057f58>] ? drm_handle_vblank+0x2c/0x2e [drm]
                            [38683.324485] [<f81205a7>] ? radeon_driver_irq_handler+0xe6/0x11b [radeon]
                            [38683.324493] [<c0111fda>] ? ack_apic_level+0x8f/0x165
                            [38683.324497] [<c015be27>] ? handle_fasteoi_irq+0x90/0x97
                            [38683.324502] [<c01976ea>] ? sys_ioctl+0x41/0x58
                            [38683.324505] [<c01031a4>] ? work_notifysig+0x13/0x1b
                            [38683.324509] Code: 91 04 01 00 00 8b 40 10 83 c0 40 89 10 31 c0 c3 f6 80 1e 03 00 00 08 8b 80 e0 00 00 00 74 06 03 50 10 8b 02 c3 83 e2 fc 03 50 10 <8b> 02 c3 83 78 5c 00 74 07 31 d2 e9 d5 ff ff ff 66 83 b8 1c 03
                            [38683.324535] EIP: [<f81160a3>] radeon_read_ring_rptr+0x1b/0x1e [radeon] SS:ESP 0068:f56fbdfc
                            [38683.324543] CR2: 0000000000000000
                            [38683.324545] ---[ end trace 46493598418d8ed4 ]---
                            [38683.324548] Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!

                            Gent's any help would be appreciated. You can ask for any logs as well.

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                            • #29
                              For a long time the X screen savers (particularly the complex ones) have been the only thing that can hang up my system (3450 + open drivers). The hang only happens occasionally, but each time it hangs when exiting the screen saver.

                              When I looked into the problems I found a lot of posts indicating that the problem was in the screensaver and happened on lots of different drivers. I'm not 100% convinced because I think I remember one hang when quitting out of a different 3D app, but I have to admit that in the last couple of months the *only* hang I have seen is with specific screen savers. Maybe the combination of a screensaver bug PLUS driver bug, not sure.

                              Are you seeing hangs with anything other than the screensavers ?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                                For a long time the X screen savers (particularly the complex ones) have been the only thing that can hang up my system (3450 + open drivers). The hang only happens occasionally, but each time it hangs when exiting the screen saver.

                                When I looked into the problems I found a lot of posts indicating that the problem was in the screensaver and happened on lots of different drivers. I'm not 100% convinced because I think I remember one hang when quitting out of a different 3D app, but I have to admit that in the last couple of months the *only* hang I have seen is with specific screen savers. Maybe the combination of a screensaver bug PLUS driver bug, not sure.

                                Are you seeing hangs with anything other than the screensavers ?
                                This has been a Linux household for the last 10 (if not more) years and I have never had X lockup on me with xscreensaver before; even the short time I used an Nvidia 7800 GTX and its proprietary drivers. And yes, as I stated earlier, I get lockups when I play flash videos in Firefox. I notice it when I play full screen flash videos of South Park, The Daily Show, and The Colbert Report. Sorry, I don't watch much TV. I don't even own one really.

                                I have never had an issue with my earlier Sapphire x1300 (RV515) using the radeon driver. Yes, I'm using a x1300 (V516) with the radeonhd driver now, but that's because the radeon driver and this X1300 (RV516) gives me wicked artifact/sparklies.
                                Last edited by nyc_paramedic; 12-01-2009, 11:49 PM.

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