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    Phoronix: AMD R700 2D Driver Performance Comparison

    Earlier this week we delivered results from a comparison between the Catalyst and X.Org Radeon drivers looking at the R500 2D performance. With a lot of interest having been generated from that, we have now carried out the same set of tests again but this time using an ATI Radeon HD 4850 (RV770) graphics card and the experimental EXA support.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13413

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    To be honest, I would have expected worse results. R7xx seems to run ok for 2D even in this early stage of support.

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    • #3
      That's better than I expected too. I was a bit worried when I saw the article since the focus has been entirely on getting the basic functions working, not performance optimization of any kind.
      Last edited by bridgman; 01-23-2009, 05:17 PM.

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      • #4
        It would be interesting to see a comparison of the two open source drivers, radeonhd and radeon on a card that is supported by both.

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        • #5
          What is the 2D performance of this driver vs the Nvidia proprietary driver?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cruiseoveride View Post
            What is the 2D performance of this driver vs the Nvidia proprietary driver?
            Don't ask such questions!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bridgman View Post
              I was a bit worried when I saw the article since the focus has been entirely on getting the basic functions working, not performance optimization of any kind.
              Yeah, I hadn't intended on doing an R700 2D performance look this early, but it was requested by Matthew. It turned out pretty well for a basic implementation
              Michael Larabel
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Michael View Post
                Yeah, I hadn't intended on doing an R700 2D performance look this early, but it was requested by Matthew. It turned out pretty well for a basic implementation

                let's say the truth: what turned out is that AMD should be ashamed of what they call a driver (fglrx). Let's just hope all this sh%$ comes to an end with a complete open source driver one day. And actually yes, do a comparison with NVIDIA proprietary driver if you can... let's see what comes out... you never know.. maybe even NVIDIA drivers suck?
                Last edited by bulletxt; 01-23-2009, 09:24 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cruiseoveride View Post
                  What is the 2D performance of this driver vs the Nvidia proprietary driver?
                  If you manage to use the Nvidia proprietary driver on the RV770, I'll be really interested by your results.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
                    let's say the truth: what turned out is that AMD should be ashamed of what they call a driver (fglrx). Let's just hope all this sh%$ comes to an end with a complete open source driver one day. And actually yes, do a comparison with NVIDIA proprietary driver if you can... let's see what comes out... you never know.. maybe even NVIDIA drivers suck?

                    Last I heard, didn't Nvidia's newest drivers produce crummy 2D performance on GeForce 8000 and newer?

                    In any case, I am totally ecstatic that the EXPERIMENTAL r700 code has already come this far, even surpassing the proprietary Catalyst driver in 2D acceleration. (not that fglx sets the bar very high... )

                    With any luck, end-users like me will have a working r600/r700 driver when Ubuntu 9.04 comes out.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Darkfire Fox View Post
                      Last I heard, didn't Nvidia's newest drivers produce crummy 2D performance on GeForce 8000 and newer?

                      In any case, I am totally ecstatic that the EXPERIMENTAL r700 code has already come this far, even surpassing the proprietary Catalyst driver in 2D acceleration. (not that fglx sets the bar very high... )

                      With any luck, end-users like me will have a working r600/r700 driver when Ubuntu 9.04 comes out.
                      that depends on what "working" requires.. if it requires opengl 2.1 and stuff, i think you miiigghhtt wanna switch the timetable a tad

                      this is nice though

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Michael View Post
                        Yeah, I hadn't intended on doing an R700 2D performance look this early, but it was requested by Matthew. It turned out pretty well for a basic implementation
                        So maybe they decide again on whether they will implement EXA in the fglrx driver. Because this comparison does not show how great RadeonHD is (but it will be, of course), but how slow fglrx is.

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                        • #13
                          i thought radeonhd will get beaten on all tests. instead, it appears that fglrx has still numerous performance issues.

                          i wonder if it's due to complexity of the code, or just bugs. there was a claim that simpler driver might actually beat more complex driver.

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                          • #14
                            My interpretation of the test results was that "EXA is finally worth implementing"

                            Originally posted by yoshi314 View Post
                            i thought radeonhd will get beaten on all tests. instead, it appears that fglrx has still numerous performance issues. I wonder if it's due to complexity of the code, or just bugs. there was a claim that simpler driver might actually beat more complex driver.
                            This is actually a real good example of the relative benefits of open vs closed source. 2D is relatively simple in terms of the amount of code required, so a single good developer can produce a sufficiently optimized driver in a practical amount of time. In that case the open source driver will usually win because it can and will track improvements elsewhere in the stack more quickly (since whoever changes the rest of the stack will probably change the driver at the same time).

                            3D, by comparison, is maybe 100x the code size (seriously) so there the advantages of being able to share proprietary code across a number of OSes will typically outweigh the benefits of having source code available to developers working on other parts of the stack.

                            Gallium3D is interesting because (a) it seems to have the API lines in the right place to let relatively small HS-specific code still get decent performance, and (b) there is some cross-OS potential so development effort can bleed in from other OSes and markets.
                            Last edited by bridgman; 01-24-2009, 07:37 AM.

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                            • #15
                              that circles test result looks fishy. How many test runs were made? Just one or several (and I don't mean gtkperf rounds...)? Maybe it was some background activity? A ubuntu bug or a bug in the pts? Because 4000 seconds.. that is completly out of the loop.

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