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    Phoronix: Fallout From NVIDIA 173.08 Driver

    Last week NVIDIA had released the 173.08 display driver for Linux and Solaris operating systems. This driver update had introduced support for new GeForce and Quadro GPUs, experimental X Server 1.5 support, NVIDIA mobile improvements, and a few bug-fixes. Those that have already upgraded to this 173.08 driver are having mixed-feelings over this release...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NjQzMA

  • #2
    I only needed to be quoted once

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    • #3
      The sad part is that on the last NVidia thread I got ran over by a bunch of rabid NVidia fanboys

      The fact is that they are not dedicating an appropriate amount of resources to the Linux platform, with predictable results given the huge amount of hardware they have to support in their driver. Their only option to stop continuing insulting their customers and tap the community for help [I suppose I should be glad, at least they're not suing the Nouveau folks out of existence ...].

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      • #4
        Does this 2D regression remind anyone of the recent release with the regression where there was a 100% fan speed bug? How do they not have items like these as blocker bugs for release?
        Michael Larabel
        http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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        • #5
          I'm not an nVidia fanboy or anything like that, but it seems a bit unfair to blast them like that for what is clearly labeled as a beta release.
          Phoronix' original report about this driver mentioned its being beta, but not very clearly and only at the end of the article. Maybe it should be pointed out again.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by onety-three View Post
            I'm not an nVidia fanboy or anything like that, but it seems a bit unfair to blast them like that for what is clearly labeled as a beta release.
            Phoronix' original report about this driver mentioned its being beta, but not very clearly and only at the end of the article. Maybe it should be pointed out again.
            But many people reported the same performance problems with stable drivers too. I've got Geforce 6800 and it's performance in KDE4/GTK is very poor and it's no matter what driver I'm using - always the same

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            • #7
              just a quick note THESE ARE BETA DRIVERS

              that being said runs fine here, openbox desktop and also great for QuakeWars (GEntoo-64bit here)

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              • #8
                This is one of the lots of reasons for NEVER using propietary drivers, aka binary blobs.

                Thanks to AMD/ATI we will not suffer that, Nvidia can keep doing hardware for Sony's PS3 and Wintel (gaming) systems but now I prefer the AMD guys. I'm very impatient for having the RadeonHD drivers mature enough and support in sync with their latest available GPUs.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by timofonic View Post
                  This is one of the lots of reasons for NEVER using propietary drivers, aka binary blobs.

                  Thanks to AMD/ATI we will not suffer that, Nvidia can keep doing hardware for Sony's PS3 and Wintel (gaming) systems but now I prefer the AMD guys. I'm very impatient for having the RadeonHD drivers mature enough and support in sync with their latest available GPUs.
                  Then go write your own driver if you are "impatient" I mean ATi have release the info so you are free todo it

                  Do you have any idea how hard it is to write drivers?
                  Driver writers exist between the hardware and the OS's API, both shackle quite firmly what they can do (most obviously with hardware)

                  Sure ATi have release some specs, is it all/enough? who knows... why don't you find out

                  And to stress again THESE ARE BETA DRIVERS!!!! and well... BETA is for testing, sure issues have been found so what do you do?

                  1) bugreport the issues (not some petty ZOMG nvidia are crap, I'm going ATi BS!)
                  2) downgrade to the STABLE released drivers.

                  is it really that hard?
                  Yes binary blobs have issues from some, but nvidia's blobs are alot better then ATi's and have been for a VERY long time

                  is there anything from the these opened specs for ATi's top of the range cards? and Open-source drivers with full 3D acceleration?



                  I thought not

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Naib View Post
                    just a quick note THESE ARE BETA DRIVERS

                    that being said runs fine here, openbox desktop and also great for QuakeWars (GEntoo-64bit here)
                    Just a quick note: we're talking about 2D performance and in many cases it doesn't matter that these are beta or stable drivers.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by emprov View Post
                      Just a quick note: we're talking about 2D performance and in many cases it doesn't matter that these are beta or stable drivers.
                      Hence why I stated Openbox, a nice 2D desktop WM and it runs smooth here

                      and the fact that the drivers are BETA is relevant and does matter simply because nvidia have released these as BETA's

                      http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../m0051349.html
                      beta
                      Pre-release version of a new software program still in development, which may be handed out to users for testing. The worst bugs are usually eliminated at the earlier alpha stage of development. Beta testers use the software to do real work and report any bugs or badly implemented features they find to the developers, who incorporate this information in refining the product for release. Organizations that assist with such testing are known as beta sites.
                      All I am saying/pointing out is nvidia get a load of grief and in this instance its bang out of order

                      its BETA...

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                      • #12
                        I'm really not impressed with Phoronix on this particular "news" story. To not make it perfectly clear that this particular story is speculating on unofficial, beta software comes off as being a bit sensationalized and maninpulative and makes me feel like Phoronix is trying to drum up some sort of FUD against NVidia. If Phoronix wants to continue to act like some sort of tabloid rag, then this particular insignificant reader will go be an insignificant drop in someone else's bucket.
                        Last edited by immudium; 04-15-2008, 07:02 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by immudium View Post
                          I'm really not impressed with Phoronix on this particular "news" story. To not make it perfectly clear that this particular story is speculating on unofficial, beta software comes off as being a bit sensationalized and maninpulative and makes me feel like Phoronix is trying to drum up some sort of FUD against NVidia. If Phoronix wants to continue to act like some sort of tabloid rag, then this particular insignificant reader will go be an insignificant drop in someone else's bucket.
                          Agreed, especially when the vast majority have no issues with the driver. A vocal few and the story comes sensationalized, especially when compared to the ATI drivers which have many issues with every official driver release but those "stories" seem to focus on "improvements" rather on stuff that is still not fixed.
                          Last edited by deanjo; 04-15-2008, 07:14 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Despite my complaints about the driver, I guess I would have to agree that this doesn't really merit a post on the main page, It might deter some people from installing it and it doesn't really have any features that are worth it.

                            It is after all a beta driver. Still one can still moan about it in forums.

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                            • #15
                              I think the point these people who are having problems are trying to make is that these drivers never should've made it out of ALPHA status and been released. The fact that the driver was promoted to beta means that somebody considered it good enough to be released to the public and the fact that it is a closed driver means that the community cannot fix what was broken

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