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  • NVIDIA Will Support Newly-Dropped GPUs On Linux Through 2019

    Phoronix: NVIDIA Will Support Newly-Dropped GPUs On Linux Through 2019

    Earlier this month we found out NVIDIA would be dropping pre-Fermi support from their mainline graphics driver on Windows and Linux. For Linux users, we have some good news about NVIDIA's Linux support plans...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTY0NTg

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    while AMD doesn't maintain their Linux legacy drivers and barely do release notes all in the name of trying to reduce engineering costs. The Radeon HD 4000 series graphics hardware that was introduced in 2008 is no longer receiving updates with the AMD Catalyst Legacy driver but is left to just the open-source Linux Radeon driver.
    This information distorts the reality. AMD didn't drop Legacy support for Linux alone, but also for Windows at the same time. I consider it misleading the way you posted it, inclining that AMD neglects Linux suport, while it's being the same for Windows. This is not the first that time that you ignored this fact in your articles.
    Last edited by Nuc!eoN; 03-28-2014, 10:04 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
      This information distorts the reality. AMD didn't drop Legacy support for Linux alone, but also for Windows at the same time. I consider it misleading the way you posted it, inclining that AMD neglects Linux suport, while it's being the same for Windows. This is not the first that time that you ignored this fact in your articles.
      the driver on windows receveid more updates than on linux, and is very more stable than linux.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
        This information distorts the reality. AMD didn't drop Legacy support for Linux alone, but also for Windows at the same time.
        Yes, but users who like Catalyst will not care why the Linux support was dropped, especially since they can use Catalyst Legacy on Windows 7, for example. While it's true they can still use it on slightly older versions of Linux (like Ubuntu 12.04.1), driver support for older Windows versions tends to age better than Linux because of the stable driver ABI.

        I consider it misleading the way you posted it, inclining that AMD neglects Linux suport, while it's being the same for Windows. This is not the first that time that you ignored this fact in your articles.
        I consider it far more slanderous to say that AMD is now supporting these products with "just" the open-source driver, as if it's a bad thing. In many ways, that's a better driver.

        Bottom line? Even if Michael was more careful in how he chose words, there would still be a bunch of AMD card owners throwing temper tantrums and threatening to buy Nvidia...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pandev92 View Post
          the driver on windows receveid more updates than on linux, and is very more stable than linux.
          And doesn't require downgrade of key system components!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
            This information distorts the reality. AMD didn't drop Legacy support for Linux alone, but also for Windows at the same time. I consider it misleading the way you posted it, inclining that AMD neglects Linux suport, while it's being the same for Windows. This is not the first that time that you ignored this fact in your articles.

            Yeah.. the fanboy is strong in you. Larabel loves to overhype and distort things, but this article is 100% accurate.

            Your basic argument is that AMD loves Linux and is awesome because it abandons support for its own products early on Linux AND on Windows and that Larabel is evil because... on a website that is devoted to Linux... he doesn't go out of his way to point out that AMD also does a crappy job under Windows.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by chuckula View Post
              Yeah.. the fanboy is strong in you. Larabel loves to overhype and distort things, but this article is 100% accurate.

              Your basic argument is that AMD loves Linux and is awesome because it abandons support for its own products early on Linux AND on Windows and that Larabel is evil because... on a website that is devoted to Linux... he doesn't go out of his way to point out that AMD also does a crappy job under Windows.
              Now YOU are the one sounding like a fanboy. Its a well known issue that because of the unstable driver API/ABI that older Catalyst releases can't be used on Linux. If nothing changes between kernels then the community can hack together a patch that bumps the maximum version for Kernel and Xorg and Catalyst will compile just fine. If they can't then you're stuck using an older distro. At least on Windows you can install Catalyst and just keep using it.

              You can do the same thing on Linux IF you stick with an older Distro, but since we have a release every six months for Fedora and Ubuntu most don't want to. Most want to try out the latest tech, but that typically comes with an Kernel and/or Xorg upgrade which will break Catalyst.

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              • #8
                The Radeon HD 4000 series graphics hardware that was introduced in 2008 is no longer receiving updates with the AMD Catalyst Legacy driver but is left to just the open-source Linux Radeon driver.
                Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.

                Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?

                "Just" the open source drivers ? Sorry, I still can't believe you said that.

                *bridgman bangs head on desk

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                • #9
                  Finally some stuff for me:
                  Originally posted by chuckula View Post
                  Yeah.. the fanboy is strong in you.
                  I am not a fanboy.

                  Originally posted by chuckula View Post
                  Larabel loves to overhype and distort things, but this article is 100% accurate.
                  The article is distorting the reality, meaning it suggests a suggests a critical way of thinking towards AMDs Linux support. Since leaving some facts out, I don't consider it being 100% accurate. Btw the author even suggests that it's just a Linux problem:
                  while AMD doesn't maintain their Linux legacy drivers and barely do release notes all in the name of trying to reduce engineering costs.
                  I have marked the striking words in bold red for you're convenience. (bold didn't seem to be enough)

                  Originally posted by chuckula View Post
                  Your basic argument is that AMD loves Linux and is awesome because it abandons support for its own products early on Linux AND on Windows and that Larabel is evil because... on a website that is devoted to Linux... he doesn't go out of his way to point out that AMD also does a crappy job under Windows.
                  My basic argument is said AMD sucks. In terms of long term support.
                  (On a side note: I was raging when AMD annouced to drop my beloved HD 4770 and I was mainly bothered about Windows, since it's my OS of choice for playing games. Also there an outstanding bug on Windows, that those faggots are unwilling to fix. On Linux I use the Open Source driver.)

                  I am not saying the Author has done this out of purpose, but it maybe a simple lack of knowledge.

                  Originally posted by Bucic View Post
                  And doesn't require downgrade of key system components!
                  I am sorry to disappoint you, but this is a general Linux problem. AMD is not to blame here.


                  EDIT: Ah thanks @Ericg, I see you were faster than me
                  Last edited by Nuc!eoN; 03-28-2014, 11:27 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                    Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face. Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?
                    I also complained about that wording a few posts back, but I don't really think Michael meant it like that. He's simply saying that users don't have a choice between the two drivers. This is equivalent to Intel, which only offers an open-source Linux driver (where 3D performance tends to lag a bit behind the Windows driver). One could argue that it's not as good as Nvidia, but in my experience with nouveau on an 8400GS, nouveau is not ready for daily usage when factoring in 3D/games (though it works surprisingly well with VDPAU and basic desktop usage).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                      Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.

                      Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?

                      "Just" the open source drivers ? Sorry, I still can't believe you said that.

                      *bridgman bangs head on desk
                      Yeah, I'm going to have to join you in the head+desk department. The r600g driver for the radeon 4xxx series is plenty sufficient, and I can't see many reasons why you'd want to use Catalyst over that unless you need one of the few OpenGL features/extensions that aren't implemented in r600g for those cards (or the minor performance difference actually matters for your use case). The only downside to radeon OSS drivers that could affect me is that UVD 1.x isn't supported for the 780/785/880g IGPs, and all of my systems that have those chips either are servers or also have a discrete radeon (well, the 880g laptop died a while ago, which is the only one that wouldn't have taken a discrete card).

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                      • #12
                        I doubt their claims. It is unlikely that X server would survive till 2019. I don't think they will port legacy driver to Wayland. So they "might" support new X releases till 2019 but with the last X server version from e.g. 2017...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stikonas View Post
                          I doubt their claims. It is unlikely that X server would survive till 2019. I don't think they will port legacy driver to Wayland. So they "might" support new X releases till 2019 but with the last X server version from e.g. 2017...
                          Good point. X will probably survive even longer, and pre-fermi users will just have X11 and no proper 3D driver for Wayland or Mir. But the poor radeon users which just have the OSS driver have the liberty to choose. Cruel world, what irony

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                            Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.

                            Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?

                            "Just" the open source drivers ? Sorry, I still can't believe you said that.

                            *bridgman bangs head on desk
                            *Gives Bridgman a cookie* You know how Michael is, he's never 100% happy. Once upon a time, yes, he could say "Just the open source driver" but these days? Its in great shape.

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                            • #15
                              Just open source catalyst and deprecate the blob. No one is buying the "OpenGL secret scauce" argument against open sourcing anyway. It's cool that they want to reduce duplicate work by having just one kernel driver, but why stop there? That would make NVIDIA look like the only major GPU vendor that doesn't do things the Linux-way. Still the Linux support NVIDIA offers is outstanding, which kind of makes you forgive them not having open drivers.
                              Last edited by blackout23; 03-28-2014, 01:02 PM.

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