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  • #16
    I must admit that now I was forced to use just the opensource radeon drivers for my HD4890 (I actually had 2 cards, but there was no game that could max out a single card, and the airflow was terrible), I actually begin to like it.
    There are more games on steam that work properly on the opensource drivers while not working with the catalyst driver, than there are games that work better with the closed source drivers than with the open source drivers on this card.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
      Finally some stuff for me:

      I am not a fanboy.


      The article is distorting the reality, meaning it suggests a suggests a critical way of thinking towards AMDs Linux support. Since leaving some facts out, I don't consider it being 100% accurate. Btw the author even suggests that it's just a Linux problem:

      I have marked the striking words in bold red for you're convenience. (bold didn't seem to be enough)



      My basic argument is said AMD sucks. In terms of long term support.
      (On a side note: I was raging when AMD annouced to drop my beloved HD 4770 and I was mainly bothered about Windows, since it's my OS of choice for playing games. Also there an outstanding bug on Windows, that those faggots are unwilling to fix. On Linux I use the Open Source driver.)

      I am not saying the Author has done this out of purpose, but it maybe a simple lack of knowledge.


      I am sorry to disappoint you, but this is a general Linux problem. AMD is not to blame here.


      EDIT: Ah thanks @Ericg, I see you were faster than me
      Nope, is amd problem, because nvidia continue to support the latest kernel and xorgs with their blob driver. FANBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY SONIC BOOOOOOOOM

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
        My basic argument is said AMD sucks. In terms of long term support.
        It is obvious how AMD support for graphics chips on linux look like for many years now: every 3 years approximately ATi and then AMD dropped support from fglrx. That was the same politics as of years 2006., 2009., 2012. and one can expect next year some cards will loose support (lets guess all non GCN cards will loose support in fglrx next year ) . And that is expected (otherwise i will be surprised )... in the meantime radeon driver for dropped and other chips evolving and they support ALL these cards... blah, blah. blah .

        So that is understandible and it is good support model to me .

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        • #19
          Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
          Just open source catalyst and deprecate the blob. No one is buying the "OpenGL secret scauce" argument against open sourcing anyway. It's cool that they want to reduce duplicate work by having just one kernel driver, but why stop there? That would make NVIDIA look like the only major GPU vendor that doesn't do things the Linux-way. Still the Linux support NVIDIA offers is outstanding, which kind of makes you forgive them not having open drivers.
          They can't do it, for various reasons, like the authors not wanting to free their code, or not wanting to reveal "secret sauce". This is a for-profit company, you can't change their brains.

          No, we shouldn't forgive people or companies for supplying proprietary code and technologies, even if they are amazing.
          Last edited by Calinou; 03-28-2014, 03:08 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
            This information distorts the reality. AMD didn't drop Legacy support for Linux alone, but also for Windows at the same time. I consider it misleading the way you posted it, inclining that AMD neglects Linux suport, while it's being the same for Windows. This is not the first that time that you ignored this fact in your articles.

            Yes, but there is one thing that stands out. While the Windows driver recieved an update for it to work on Windows 8 you don't see them do the same to support newer kernels or newer X servers.

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            • #21
              The drop for older hardware can be a problem for some people. My laptop has a HD 4250 that's intergrated and a HD 5470 that's discrete. So can I install the Catalyst 14.3 beta? Nope, at least according to the drivers. I imagine it wouldn't be any different in Windows either. So for now I use open source drivers, cause they actually work.

              That HD 4250 chipset was used for sometime. There are people with discrete HD 6000 and 7000 cards that use a intergrated HD 4000 for low power savings.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
                I imagine it wouldn't be any different in Windows either.
                It's obviously not official drivers for this hybrid on Windows, but those custom drivers will work:
                http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=372799
                It's actually two drivers combined: onboard GPU will use legacy drivers and other will use most recent mobile Catalyst.
                As long as I know those custom drivers works great for games and any other activity.

                No idea if something like that possible on Linux with blob.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by boot View Post
                  Yes, but there is one thing that stands out. While the Windows driver recieved an update for it to work on Windows 8 you don't see them do the same to support newer kernels or newer X servers.
                  You can't compare it because Windows have WDDM that have compatibility options and even include some backward compatibility.

                  Actually AMD legacy drivers on Windows have those awesome options:
                  • Lot of small not fixed glitches especially on Vista.
                  • GPU lockup on HD3XXX in some applications.
                  • Built-in drivers of Windows 8/8.1 have no OpenGL support.
                    Those can't be replaced automatically with installer.
                  • Installer bugged like hell and usually can't replace old drivers properly.
                  • No official support for hybrids with HD4250 as noticed above.
                  Might be open source drivers lack of performance and some features, but in terms of stability they're better that Windows legacy driver.
                  Last edited by _SXX_; 03-29-2014, 01:11 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                    Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.

                    Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?

                    "Just" the open source drivers ? Sorry, I still can't believe you said that.

                    *bridgman bangs head on desk
                    You are right, open source driver is great, but I still want to run Team fortress 2 in Linux as good as windows does (in my hd4200) It use to run a bit better in mesa 9.2 some months ago, its weird.
                    I hope more performance stuff will come to the r600 in the future.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by edoantonioco View Post
                      It use to run a bit better in mesa 9.2 some months ago, its weird.
                      If you use drivers from GIT this might be due to disabled HyperZ:
                      http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTYxOTQ

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by _SXX_ View Post
                        If you use drivers from GIT this might be due to disabled HyperZ:
                        http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTYxOTQ
                        Seems to be now its better, thanks

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by _SXX_ View Post
                          You can't compare it because Windows have WDDM that have compatibility options and even include some backward compatibility.

                          Actually AMD legacy drivers on Windows have those awesome options:
                          • Lot of small not fixed glitches especially on Vista.
                          • GPU lockup on HD3XXX in some applications.
                          • Built-in drivers of Windows 8/8.1 have no OpenGL support.
                            Those can't be replaced automatically with installer.
                          • Installer bugged like hell and usually can't replace old drivers properly.
                          • No official support for hybrids with HD4250 as noticed above.
                          Might be open source drivers lack of performance and some features, but in terms of stability they're better that Windows legacy driver.
                          The installer problem is present with the averidge versions too.. xD
                          But with catalyst legacy on windows 8, I have more performance than on linux, and no glitches, like gpu lockups under ubuntu, slow performance with xv, and can't play the majority of steam games on linux.

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