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  • #16
    Originally posted by Temar View Post
    That's why I have been a Nvidia customer for years now. I do not even own such old cards anymore, switched to newer models a long time ago. However, this kind of support confirms me in every purchase I make. Well done Nvidia. I don't need open drivers, I want a working system which gives me access to all of the hardware's capabilities.

    Tried some AMD cards from time to time, but they were all replaced pretty quickly by Nvidia cards. I either sent them back or just bought a new Nvidia card out of frustration. AMD might be an option in a few years when their Open Source driver is finally ready and supports all hardware features with decent performance. For now, I'll stick with Nvidia.
    The way I see it, AMD is just throwing bones from time to time to the open-source devs to support the older hardware. They're not rushing anywhere submitting documentation for the newer stuff. RadeonSI is shit and the hardware for it has been around for two years now. The fact that AMD is supporting open-source drivers and is OSS friendly is a "two birds with one stone" move.

    1. They gain a bit of respect, compared to nvidia, about their commitment to FOSS.
    2. It's a way to focus on the latest stuff in fglrx without having to worry about legacy stuff because the legacy stuff is handled by the Gallium drivers.

    Many complain that even fglrx drivers are doing a bad job. I have no experience in the matter, never owned an AMD card, but from the experience of a buddy of mine I have to say that statement holds true.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BSDude View Post
      The way I see it, AMD is just throwing bones from time to time to the open-source devs to support the older hardware. They're not rushing anywhere submitting documentation for the newer stuff.
      ???

      http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index10h2

      •AMD Southern Islands 3D Register Reference
      •AMD Sea Islands 3D Register Reference
      •AMD Southern Islands/Sea Islands Acceleration

      •AMD Southern Islands Series ISA
      •AMD Sea Islands Series ISA

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      • #18
        Originally posted by bridgman View Post
        ???

        http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index10h2

        •AMD Southern Islands 3D Register Reference
        •AMD Sea Islands 3D Register Reference
        •AMD Southern Islands/Sea Islands Acceleration

        •AMD Southern Islands Series ISA
        •AMD Sea Islands Series ISA
        Ok, you've got a point. I'll take my words back. What I don't understand is, if they submitted all of the documentation for the chipset, why are they still keeping fglrx around? Why not commit the resources for fgrlx into Mesa/Gallium3d and have one solid driver?! Is KMS the problem why they keep it separate?!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
          lololol a wild amd troll appears...

          really?? which ones? I have here lots of old laptops with shit like rs200 r3 sum shit and they don't even load the driver... hey it's ok coz when they did the performance was even worse than vesa or fb ololol
          saying "lolol", pointing fingers, asking obnoxious questions, and playing devil's advocate makes you more of a troll. You pointed out a device that, as far as I'm aware, hasn't been actively supported by ANYONE for years due to how old it is. The R100 series and older is beyond legacy. To be fair, I guess I should have been a little more explicit (on the other hand, mr_marmalade somehow missed the fact that I said "older than the HD series", so it wouldn't surprise me if you'd miss such a detail too.) The R300 series to RS740 seem to be the sweet spot for the radeon drivers. While I'm not sure if the performance is fully there, many of those GPUs actually have more features than the catalyst driver offered at their time. Anything older than R200 is just simply not worth mentioning (just like anything older than the nvidia geforce 6 series).

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          • #20
            BTW, for anyone who decides to continue arguing with me:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Legacy_hardware

            If the R100 (or R200 series for that matter) really aren't actively supported anymore (if, at all), that means my definition of legacy was correct. Therefore, pallidus, you just brought up a GPU that isn't even considered legacy.

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            • #21
              R100/200 class hardware is supported by radeon, this includes the RS200/300 series IGPs.
              http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

              If it doesn't work, then report a bug. Spewing foul language in a forum is not going to help.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                mr_marmalade somehow missed the fact that I said "older than the HD series"
                Oops, sorry for that!

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                • #23
                  so how does that work?? the r2 r3 cards aren't legacy? they were being sold n laptops n 2005/6


                  amd could draw swastikas on their cards and you trolls would still defend them tooth and nail.

                  reporting non functionng drivers? to whom? amd could give a shit and xorg devs are well aware and don't care

                  xorg devs are amd's little bitches doing their crappy ass drivers for them

                  amd and linux = nightmare

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                    Is this in a machine that you use for everyday work?
                    You would be surprised what ancient hardware I still use.
                    Yes, there is a passively cooled NV11 around, I do still have via's VLE266 and CN700 in use (daily), a Geode LX (daily), an old Radeon RV280 chip and my Radeon HD 5670 (daily and right now). Latter is my main box, also used for gaming, the others do various jobs in various places. File servers, HTPC-wannabe (I'll relace that by a E-350 or Kabini since VIA never really made it and the poor souls at openchrome lack manpower, meanwhile I had one of the NV11 in there when MPEG2 accel broke during releases on openchrome), my Geode LX800 device at work (yes, the Geode is in a Thin Client with 512M RAM, 16 GB CF running Gentoo), some machines are used for machine driving at work (CLE266), my old laptop had a CLE266 (it's now broken), oh, an my newest acquisition with an R100 chip, a Transmeta thin client (I want to use that at work where I need a IEE1284 and I always loved Transmeta's concept. And now I found one that came with a decent GPU, not some XGI stuff which really works only with VESA).
                    And my old main computer which I used for more than 10 years used to have a Geforce 3, later being replaced by a passively cooled Geforce 2 MX.
                    So actually, my mother's APU and my 5670 are the newest chips that I have to take care of, somewhere my former HD 3870 (passive but got really hot) floats around.

                    I better don't try to check my older boxes, one had a Riva TNT iirc inside. Ah, well.

                    I mean, I understand that enterprises focus on their current + 2 Gen. before GPUs. And they lack enthusiasm for older cards. Okay, from their viewpoint I can understand that.
                    But that is also the reason why I love free drivers cause you can still work with the old cards. Back at the time power consumption was on the rise but for many jobs I never needed the power. I mean, why have a loud, hot, hungry Geforce 3,4,5 in a computer that is only used for typing? When there is still that passive variant of the Geforce 2 MX around?
                    And with a free driver you can use these things, still with the newest kernels and stuff.

                    It is to hope that AMD one day actually does not have any need for fglrx anymore and people can rely on the free driver stack alone. No more recent X or kernel not supported nor any legacy issues. It's a fair move that NV still supports older cards, but they do not have an official free driver stack like AMD does. Yes, their declaration of legacy also started too soon but today they can actually point their finger towards the free driver stack and say, hey, look, it IS supported. (I guess it still needs some polishing on several implementations in some laptops since manufacturers might have toyed with the chips.)

                    For NV: Sadly they do not support the "ancient" cards then - I truly have a different understanding of ancient than other people, Hercules Monochrome, THAT is ancient.
                    But then god bless the nouveau project. Besides, you see, they started when I had my Geforce 3. I had big hopes but then I did not want to wait that long until it became functional and AMD (which was my fav x86 CPU maker anyway) had a really convincing offer then.

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