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    Phoronix: NVIDIA Brings Their Linux Driver To ARM

    NVIDIA is bringing their 319.xx proprietary graphics driver from Linux to ARM...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM5MTk

  • #2
    This article came to my mind: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEyNTE. Maybe they need to make MIPS port too.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
      This article came to my mind: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEyNTE. Maybe they need to make MIPS port too.
      I still have yet to see that huge order on AMD's SEC filings. ahem

      Anyway, this ARM support was needed for Kayla, which was announced a couple months ago:

      https://developer.nvidia.com/content/kayla-platform

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
        This article came to my mind: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEyNTE. Maybe they need to make MIPS port too.
        MIPS was recently acquired by Imagination Technologies. The same Imagination Technologies that designs the PowerVR GPU cores...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by phoronix View Post
          ...from Linux to ARM...
          Moronix at its best.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by not.sure View Post
            Moronix at its best.
            Well at least he didn't link bait us this time.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by c117152 View Post
              MIPS was recently acquired by Imagination Technologies. The same Imagination Technologies that designs the PowerVR GPU cores...
              So that means it'll be a tough sell for nvidia to get its gpu's into those chips

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
                So that means it'll be a tough sell for nvidia to get its gpu's into those chips
                Ice to Eskimos tough: Like how AMD licensed ARM, seeing as nVidia is interested in licensing MIPS\ARM, it's a buy, not a sell. Worse, I don't think ImgTec will be even interested in a cross-licensing agreement. They have their own solution so why bother using nVidia's? Similarly ARM has their Mali. No. They'll be asking for cash only. Cash nVidia likely lacks.

                Nope. I think nVidia came out drawing the short straw in the RISC market. Maybe even for the last time. When AMD sold off their Raedon IP I thought they were crazy. Now, when nVidia realizes it has no potential buyers, it starting to look as if AMD tried going for cross-licensing with ARM during the negotiations only to learn they had nothing to offer so they dumped their IP on another smaller company that can milk it dry.

                And now that Intel is pushing their GPU tech AND AMD cornered the x86 console market... Well, nVidia will probably need to restructure completely around a shrinking(desktop) to non-existing(RISC) markets.
                At this point, nVidia is going into the ARMv8 or MIPS V negotiations as a very desperate buyer. And it's quite possible ARM and MIPS will cartel to push nVidia out.

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                • #9
                  ^^ This.

                  I believe that c117152 got it right.
                  I also was thinking along these lines for a long time.
                  NVIDIA is trapped in PC Desktop (doubt that they have any chance even in Notebook market anyway very soon) and that's all they have.

                  The SteamBox possibly also use a AMD APU or a Intel (depending of performance/price ratio) but i'm almost sure that will be from AMD.

                  Hey, if it's good for a PS4 or XBone, should be good enough for a SteamBox.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                    NVIDIA is trapped in PC Desktop (doubt that they have any chance even in Notebook market anyway very soon) and that's all they have.
                    It's not really "all they have". They have a presence in the mobile market (not as well as Qualcomm of course, but the Nexus 7 was a nice win; Tegra 4 hasn't been much to brag about yet) and are well-versed in the HPC market.

                    The shrinking desktop space is a real problem, but the console market is essentially worthless.

                    The SteamBox possibly also use a AMD APU or a Intel (depending of performance/price ratio) but i'm almost sure that will be from AMD.

                    Hey, if it's good for a PS4 or XBone, should be good enough for a SteamBox.
                    Does AMD even support Linux / OpenGL?

                    They only figured out what Android was about 2 weeks ago.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by johnc View Post
                      It's not really "all they have". They have a presence in the mobile market (not as well as Qualcomm of course, but the Nexus 7 was a nice win; Tegra 4 hasn't been much to brag about yet) and are well-versed in the HPC market.
                      HPC isn't a whole sustainable market. A computing company solely operating in the high-end will bleed cash on R&D until eventually the low-end will catch up. It happens time and time again: e.g. The first and second generation of RISC computers followed that pattern. Only when the third gen tablets hit the mass market, did ARM get enough of a cash flow to start considering R&D for server penetration.

                      As for the mobile market, I haven't seen any recent figures so I won't comment about sales. I will say that from the benchmarks I've read the Tegra3 (2011) isn't as good as the RK3188 or the A31 (2012-2013). Mind you that Rockchip is running ARM's reference Mali so we might see a time in the next year or two that, like Intel's integrated graphics, Mali will simply be good enough for most consumers.

                      Originally posted by johnc View Post
                      The shrinking desktop space is a real problem, but the console market is essentially worthless.
                      Wow! The console market is worthless?! Someone should tell Microsoft and Sony!
                      Seriously, I haven't seen the sales figures but considering AMD's poor presence in the Steam survey, I'd imagine consoles are probably their biggest cash cow right now.

                      Originally posted by johnc View Post
                      Does AMD even support Linux / OpenGL?
                      Oh yes. They have both property drivers and open source drivers available and both are officially supported and maintained by AMD. They are also releasing specs and development tools for benchmarking and other game engine related stuff:
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphi...FOSS#ATI.2FAMD
                      They've been quite awesome that way and I've made the effort to recommend their hardware despite being forced to use nVidia's in some workstations.

                      Originally posted by johnc View Post
                      They only figured out what Android was about 2 weeks ago.
                      Looking at AMD's press announcements, I'm not finding anything Android related:
                      http://www.amd.com/us/aboutamd/newsr...ges/index.aspx
                      All I can say is that they've owned an ARM license at least since 2011 and have been working on ARM servers for that long or at least a year. I've never heard they have any interests in Android but I suppose if their server chips proved surprisingly efficient and well preforming(which I doubt, no disrespect but it's still AMD we're talking about here), they might make an attempt on something portable.
                      As for SteamBox, that's linux so they have the drivers ready.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johnc View Post
                        It's not really "all they have". They have a presence in the mobile market (not as well as Qualcomm of course, but the Nexus 7 was a nice win; Tegra 4 hasn't been much to brag about yet) and are well-versed in the HPC market.

                        The shrinking desktop space is a real problem, but the console market is essentially worthless.



                        Does AMD even support Linux / OpenGL?

                        They only figured out what Android was about 2 weeks ago.
                        ^^^ Very funny, since QUALCOMM uses AMD/Radeon IP. Where do you think Adreno came from? And why do you think Rob Clark is advancing so quickly on the freedreno drivers? Hint: In ADRENO, take the R, move it all the way to the left, then reverse the N and the O. What does that give you? That's right. RADEON rules mobile.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by c117152 View Post
                          HPC isn't a whole sustainable market. A computing company solely operating in the high-end will bleed cash on R&D until eventually the low-end will catch up. It happens time and time again: e.g. The first and second generation of RISC computers followed that pattern. Only when the third gen tablets hit the mass market, did ARM get enough of a cash flow to start considering R&D for server penetration.

                          As for the mobile market, I haven't seen any recent figures so I won't comment about sales. I will say that from the benchmarks I've read the Tegra3 (2011) isn't as good as the RK3188 or the A31 (2012-2013). Mind you that Rockchip is running ARM's reference Mali so we might see a time in the next year or two that, like Intel's integrated graphics, Mali will simply be good enough for most consumers.
                          Those chinese chips are pieces of crap.

                          Wow! The console market is worthless?! Someone should tell Microsoft and Sony!
                          Seriously, I haven't seen the sales figures but considering AMD's poor presence in the Steam survey, I'd imagine consoles are probably their biggest cash cow right now.
                          I'll just leave this here:
                          http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg
                          Last edited by droidhacker; 06-21-2013, 08:33 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            Those chinese chips are pieces of crap.
                            They get the job (video playback and casual browsing) done. It's tablets here. I don't go around expecting high quality hardware in toys.

                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            I'll just leave this here:
                            http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg
                            Typical Holywood accounting. Goes with the entertainment industry all consoles are a part of. There's a reason Silicon Valley, California is where it is. Tax breaks and unscrupulous tax auditors. Try to remember these are the same guys complaining about piracy destroying their revenues. Sony especially but the most of the state is pretty much in the same racket. Microsoft, Apple, Google... Aside from a handful of indie dev houses, it's all one huge tax evading, money laundering, cartel promoting scam.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                              ^^^ Very funny, since QUALCOMM uses AMD/Radeon IP. Where do you think Adreno came from? And why do you think Rob Clark is advancing so quickly on the freedreno drivers? Hint: In ADRENO, take the R, move it all the way to the left, then reverse the N and the O. What does that give you? That's right. RADEON rules mobile.
                              ? AMD sold off that IP to Qualcomm some time ago and have washed their hands of it. Congrats to Qualcomm for doing something with it.

                              Besides... my point was that AMD kinda views Linux as that red-headed bastard step-child that they like to pretend doesn't exist. So it would be kind of disappointing if they ended up in the Steam Box.

                              And my point about the consoles was that AMD is probably not going to make a lot of buck off those deals. We'll know for sure as time goes on and the numbers get listed in the SEC filings... but these things generally don't yield big profits for the CPU maker.

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