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  • #16
    Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
    NVIDIA makes it clear once again. If you want to do some nvidia gaming on Linux. Buy a NVIDIA graphics card with proprietary drivers. Frequent, stable and feature loaded updates and great performance. I will never ever buy something from AMD.
    Corrected this for you, fanboi.

    Sold Nvidia. Support opensource drivers. Loving it!

    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
    Thats all fine and good, but you can't refute the facts that AMD's involvement in OSS driver development has improved the infrastructure upon which the whole stack runs. Intel still isnt even using gallium yet and they have no plans to do so. Intels only goal is to make their hardware function somewhat. They have no interest in making a better platform. AMD has done more for the graphics stack in Linux than anyone else.
    After doing some very solid opensource work, Intel pushed a machete in own ass by means of UEFI and SecureBoot. And they were behind HDMI/HDCP btw.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by [Knuckles] View Post
      Indeed. Meanwhile in fglrx land, catalyst 12.11 beta 11. Sad. Really sad.
      If you have an HD4xxx or older you're only getting 12.6 (legacy), wich doesn't even work in 12.10 wich ships with X.org 1.13, unless you downgrade it. Shame on you, ATI.

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      • #18
        That's my biggest beef with AMD/ATI at the moment.

        If you have a card older than a 5000 series you're pretty boned. I have a Sony Vaio laptop laying around, it has an ATI 4250 or something I believe. On Win 7 it could still play many games like Gothic 4, Force Unleashed, Crysis etc, albeit not on high details.

        On Linux however if I wanted to use it, I'd have a choice of 12.6 "legacy" drivers which wouldnt be supported for most games anyway and would run like ass or use the AMD FOSS drivers which run like even more ass and also overheat the machine like crazy and crank the fans to sounds like a jet taking off. Not a pleasant situation.

        If I was to ever buy a laptop again I'd get one with a Intel GPU chip (yes even for some light gaming) or heck even NVIDIA.

        Anyhoo, all that aside, I'm looking forward to trying this new driver when it lands in Arch repos.

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        • #19
          Onestly i don`t know when or if will ever have and ideal situation. Meaning free open drivers close to the performace of the windows proprietary ones. So the cruel really at present time Nvidia very good closed source support, intel i don`t own i heard that their drivers are open but pretty buggy too some on the other hand speak very highly of them especially with SNA. And well AMD wich never had enough money or resources to invest alot in linux. I don`t amd combo because i curently own an athlon neo x2 based laptop, and its the hottest of the, and intel alway did well on mobile front i can`t even use my amd laptop without a cooling pad in the summer, plus many users ask just one tiny thing from OSS drivers if possible ofc, close to blob power management. If i would at least have that i wouldn`t bich about amd that much

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          • #20
            Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
            At the moment, both AMD and Nvidia run Half-Life 3 and Crysis 7 Ultra Edition at the same speed.

            The problem with AMD cards is that they don't even start some first rate titles via WINE (like all Unreal_Engine_3 titles), wile Nvidia works with near the speed of Windows (WINE-platinum class). Intel has also better compatibility rate and works for good open source drivers evolving Mesa. So No1=Intel, No2=Nvidia, No3=(that never matters).

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            • #21
              I hope this new driver is working better with a real-time kernel.

              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
              Good joke… as if a little Valve involvement would suddenly make Linux a good gaming platform. Normal users care more about their hardware working out of the box and you get that with the FOSS AMD drivers.
              Normal users who care about performance, power consumption, stability, picture quality(AA, etc.), video acceleration and so on would be way better of with Nvidia hardware. Running AMD hardware with the "free" drivers perform like a low-end graphics card while running very hot.

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              • #22
                does anyone know how to enable NVreg_EnablePCIeGen3 ?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by efikkan View Post
                  I hope this new driver is working better with a real-time kernel.
                  Nvidia blob not working well for you with linux-rt?

                  ...for me the last bunch of releases have been working quite excellently. I still occasionally run into the odd minor issue, like this:

                  Code:
                  [ 8427.367670] Pid: 1401, comm: irq/42-nvidia Tainted: P        W  O 3.6.11-rt25-1-rt #1
                  [ 8427.367671] Call Trace:
                  [ 8427.367678]  [<ffffffff8146fa34>] __schedule_bug+0x4d/0x59
                  [ 8427.367680]  [<ffffffff81476410>] __schedule+0x8d0/0x9f0
                  [ 8427.367683]  [<ffffffff81078ce6>] ? __task_rq_unlock+0x16/0x50
                  [ 8427.367685]  [<ffffffff8107acef>] ? rt_mutex_setprio+0x10f/0x2a0
                  [ 8427.367686]  [<ffffffff81478090>] ? _raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x20/0x60
                  [ 8427.367689]  [<ffffffff8109bbb5>] ? task_blocks_on_rt_mutex+0x1f5/0x250
                  [ 8427.367690]  [<ffffffff814765e9>] schedule+0x29/0x70
                  [ 8427.367691]  [<ffffffff81477697>] rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x15f/0x278
                  [ 8427.367791]  [<ffffffffa03518eb>] ? _nv011768rm+0x9/0xb [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.367792]  [<ffffffff81477d56>] rt_spin_lock+0x26/0x30
                  [ 8427.367793]  [<ffffffff8107a906>] __wake_up+0x36/0x70
                  [ 8427.367831]  [<ffffffffa07f4b08>] nv_post_event+0x108/0x160 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.367869]  [<ffffffffa07cfe89>] _nv011912rm+0xf2/0x149 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.367935]  [<ffffffffa0535a98>] ? _nv004839rm+0xc6/0xef [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368001]  [<ffffffffa0535d72>] ? _nv011159rm+0xdf/0xf8 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368066]  [<ffffffffa0535cf2>] ? _nv011159rm+0x5f/0xf8 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368138]  [<ffffffffa065a349>] ? _nv008849rm+0xad1/0xce8 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368209]  [<ffffffffa065a361>] ? _nv008849rm+0xae9/0xce8 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368265]  [<ffffffffa06cb128>] ? _nv010663rm+0x482/0x684 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368321]  [<ffffffffa06c98ec>] ? _nv000979rm+0x25c/0x2ef [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368376]  [<ffffffffa06c9cd0>] ? _nv010680rm+0x46/0x1a9 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368419]  [<ffffffffa03518eb>] ? _nv011768rm+0x9/0xb [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368474]  [<ffffffffa06d0a45>] ? _nv010660rm+0x65/0x8f [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368510]  [<ffffffffa07d2170>] ? _nv000789rm+0x123/0x18d [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368547]  [<ffffffffa07d67d3>] ? rm_isr_bh+0x23/0x73 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368586]  [<ffffffffa07f2a14>] ? nv_kern_isr_bh+0x44/0x70 [nvidia]
                  [ 8427.368588]  [<ffffffff8104cc41>] ? __tasklet_action.isra.10+0x71/0x150
                  [ 8427.368589]  [<ffffffff8104ce15>] ? tasklet_action+0x85/0xa0
                  [ 8427.368591]  [<ffffffff8104bf93>] ? do_current_softirqs+0x1c3/0x360
                  [ 8427.368593]  [<ffffffff810c1fc0>] ? irq_thread_fn+0x50/0x50
                  [ 8427.368594]  [<ffffffff8104c486>] ? local_bh_enable+0x66/0x80
                  [ 8427.368595]  [<ffffffff810c2009>] ? irq_forced_thread_fn+0x49/0x70
                  [ 8427.368596]  [<ffffffff810c1d37>] ? irq_thread+0x127/0x1b0
                  [ 8427.368597]  [<ffffffff810c1eb0>] ? irq_finalize_oneshot+0xf0/0xf0
                  [ 8427.368598]  [<ffffffff810c1c10>] ? wake_threads_waitq+0x50/0x50
                  [ 8427.368600]  [<ffffffff81068953>] ? kthread+0x93/0xa0
                  [ 8427.368601]  [<ffffffff81075d46>] ? finish_task_switch+0x56/0xd0
                  [ 8427.368603]  [<ffffffff81480904>] ? kernel_thread_helper+0x4/0x10
                  [ 8427.368605]  [<ffffffff810688c0>] ? __init_kthread_worker+0x60/0x60
                  [ 8427.368606]  [<ffffffff81480900>] ? gs_change+0x13/0x13
                  but it doesn't crash my system, nor cause any noticable issues. (that was from last 313.09 driver ~ i haven't had anything show up with 313.18 yet.) I believe it is vdpau + flash in my browser that causes this and i did collect info for nvidia on the matter / reported it. but that was several releases back and i still see this ( unless this release changes that - but probably not )

                  Originally posted by rusty View Post
                  does anyone know how to enable NVreg_EnablePCIeGen3 ?
                  On my Archlinux system(s) the config you are looking for is here:

                  /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf

                  ..and you would enable that feature by adding this, to your configuration file;

                  Code:
                  options nvidia NVreg_EnablePCIeGen3=1
                  I'm not sure what distro you are using, but i am assuming you should have something similar, somewhere on your system
                  Last edited by ninez; 01-16-2013, 07:45 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by zanny View Post
                    Problem with working out of the box is that the radeon drivers have ass performance. Nobody will switch to Linux if their 3 screen 7970 setup doesn't still run insert-high-end-game-supporting-linux (Half Life 3?) at ultra settings.
                    The FOSS AMD drivers are absolutely OK for normal desktop use cases and GNU/Linux is a completely crappy gaming platform because most games simply don't exist on GNU/Linux.

                    Any game in his/her right mind has a PS3/Xbox360 and not a gaming PC running Linux!

                    Originally posted by [Knuckles] View Post
                    Really? So gamers don't mind spending big €€€ or $$$ or whatever in a new graphics card, only to have the same performance as their 4-year-old graphics card because the drivers are still not optimized for the new one?
                    Lol, we must not be talking about the same planet.
                    I am definitively NOT talking about gamers because 90–95% of gaming takes place on consoles and smartphones and that's a fact. (Google it yourself if you don't believe me!)

                    Originally posted by adriankx View Post
                    Ur
                    I'm so amazed by your use of “ur” instead of “your”. You're soooooooooo cool and it really makes your arguments more serious and believable.

                    Originally posted by adriankx View Post
                    Yeah its ok to use OSS drivers on a desktop, but most ppl use mobile solutions and need things battery and powermanagement.
                    No, most people are using desktops with three screens and high-end games with Ultra setting. zanny said so and he must be right…

                    Originally posted by efikkan View Post
                    Normal users who care about performance, power consumption, stability, picture quality(AA, etc.), video acceleration and so on would be way better of with Nvidia hardware.
                    If that were true, nobody would use NVidia on Linux because to this day NVidia drivers can't play back videos without tearing! I also de facto have no video decoding acceleration because VLC only supports VAAPI (not VDPAU) and the VAAPI to VDPAU wrapper simply doesn't work! I also can't adjust the screen brightness with my NVidia GPU (a well known bug with certain BIOSes but no fix because NVidia simply doesn't care!) … so much for power saving…

                    NVidia is not the flawless Linux supporter as you people claim NVidia was. There are many problems under Linux and with a FOSS driver at least people can use their GPUs almost forever and not be subject to some exec who decides that old GPUs are no longer supported.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                      ...snip....
                      Awesomeness, go start your own thread about how crappy nvidia is and why you think everyone should use Radeon, INSTEAD of polluting this *Nvidia thread* with nonsense that in reality no Nvidia (binary) user gives a crap about... Seriously.

                      People come into these nvidia threads to get information about the Nvidia driver and possibly get help / ask the odd question.

                      While i find your passion admirable, it would seem to me, your time could be better spent doing something else (ie: trolling / derailing an Nvidia thread, doesn't help your cause - it's just annoying).

                      cheerz

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ninez View Post
                        Awesomeness, go start your own thread about how crappy nvidia is and why you think everyone should use Radeon, INSTEAD of polluting this *Nvidia thread* with nonsense that in reality no Nvidia (binary) user gives a crap about... Seriously.

                        People come into these nvidia threads to get information about the Nvidia driver and possibly get help / ask the odd question.

                        While i find your passion admirable, it would seem to me, your time could be better spent doing something else (ie: trolling / derailing an Nvidia thread, doesn't help your cause - it's just annoying).

                        cheerz
                        Well, the very first comment here was someone taking a potshot at radeon, so it's not like awesomeness started this trolling session. But yeah, at some point somebody has to decide to end it or you end up with 1000 comments of crap.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                          Well, the very first comment here was someone taking a potshot at radeon, so it's not like awesomeness started this trolling session. But yeah, at some point somebody has to decide to end it or you end up with 1000 comments of crap.
                          fair enough

                          I didn't even see that comment. just one or two of awesomeness' other comments - plus this last one, which is just stupid, going on about people's use of 'ur' instead of 'your' - i mean WTF? lol.

                          anyway, hopefully this nvidia thread doesn't turn into yet another "nvidia sucks" thread / or someone preaching "you should be using a FOSS driver"...

                          cheerz

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                          • #28
                            stay on target red two.

                            So did any one notice any performance gain or major bugs? I have not decided to download and install it as my old driver "310.19" is working awesome.
                            Enough with the tribal mentality of my team a is better than your team b!!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by cliff View Post
                              So did any one notice any performance gain or major bugs? I have not decided to download and install it as my old driver "310.19" is working awesome.
                              Enough with the tribal mentality of my team a is better than your team b!!
                              lol.

                              In my case, i have been steadily updating on every (beta) release. In my opinion the 313.xx series is probably better, but at the same time, i haven't noticed huge performance gains either (aside from compiz - which did have a performance gain because the changes in compiz to use some newer nvidia changes). by the same token, i have not seen any regressions either.

                              I'd say give it a try!

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                              • #30
                                Problem with working out of the box is that the radeon drivers have ass performance.
                                Last edited by Jarrod558; 01-16-2013, 09:29 PM.

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