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  • #31
    Originally posted by Redshirt001 View Post
    Well they actually give support for linux
    Sorry if you not understood me with my bad English. I've been a ATI user for years. I know that AMD give support for Linux, a bad support

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    • #32
      NO MORE BLUE PEOPLE , HURRAH !!!

      BTW, this was never truly a NVIDIA bug but a Flash bug, i say this because Firefox with previous NVIDIA driver still used to have blue people with FLASH 11.2xxxx ....but CHROME already with FLASH 11.3xxxx didn't !!!

      ...and if we installed FLASH 10.xxx in FIREFOX there was no blue people either....


      ....yeah i know...i love conspiracy theories....but....

      I almost bet that when Google start conversations with Adobe was before ADOBE released the crippled FLASH 11.2 for Firefox and announced the drop for LINUX support....in fact , i bet that this complete issue was an idea of Google to undermine Firefox

      They said, "hey we will pay a shitload of money so you FUBAR FLASH in FIREFOX"




      (AJSB runs for cover because of GOOGLE/ADOBE attorneys)




      Hey !!! I was J.K.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by asdx
        I'm deranged because I said that I wanted nvidia to publish the specifications for nouveau? Then another idiot comes in and calls nouveau garbage and also insults me.

        So I ask you again, I'm the one deranged?

        You guys are fucking hypocrites.
        Maybe you should re-read the thread and see where the first insult came from? Or maybe you should dig up a thread where you were complaining about nvidia and _not_ including any profanities? Take your pick.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by YAFU View Post
          Sorry if you not understood me with my bad English. I've been a ATI user for years. I know that AMD give support for Linux, a bad support
          Don't worry mate, I understood. In my mind, really bad support does not equal support worth mentioning. So it may as well be no real support. Nvidia is not perfect, for example I'd like a nicer control panel and more aa stuff, but it's sorta okay.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by asdx
            So I said "bullshit", but then what can you call Nvidia when they treat Linux developers very disrespectfully, asking them to change the license (for DMA-BUF and the like) so they can exploit Linux, and then they refuse to release specs or show some repsect for the community?.
            I'd argue that Nvidia providing the quality of drivers that they do, (performance wise and compatibility wise, etc, plus release frequency) is at least some sort of support. If you want to compare them with AMD, or proprietary device makers like sound cards and other weird things, then feel free. And I fail to see how in any way Nvidia are "exploiting" linux. They don't necessarily have to provide their drivers in GPL compatible forms, especially if they feel they have secrets they need to keep from their competition. I don't really mind too much, provided the drivers are decent, and so far they are...ish.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by asdx
              and if I lose my temper it's not because I'm crazy, it's because nvidia and the nvidia supporters in this forum pisses me off.
              The trouble is, you lose your temper and your common courtesy at the drop of a hat. I don't care how much it angers you, I do care how you conduct yourself in public. If all you're doing is ticking people off, you're doing it wrong.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Redshirt001 View Post
                Nvidia is not perfect, for example I'd like a nicer control panel and more aa stuff, but it's sorta okay.
                It is true, at least have some of the many options that it has available in the nVidia control center in Windows.
                Also with my GT430 (Fermi) and installing Nvidia System Tools in Windows I can have some options for overclocking and fan control (no voltage options, as we know it is not possible at Fermi from software). In GNU/Linux you can not have any of those options in Fermi enabling the "Coolbits".
                NVidia control center lacks many options when compared to Windows. But at least the drivers work, almost always

                Yes, we definitely want a better control center and more options. Best Gamma and Color management/profiles and tests to get the best configuration would be good to start.

                PS: I do not think "nouveau" is garbage. They have done an excellent job there just with reverse engineering. In fact, I'm using "nouveau" currently
                Last edited by YAFU; 10-16-2012, 10:01 AM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by asdx
                  Yeah sure, and other people calling nouveau "garbage" is also very courteous.
                  This was directed at a driver, no need to take offense.
                  But then someone reminds you about "f u posts" and you eagerly indulge. Is that a mature reaction?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Plagman View Post
                    Do you have the KWin patch referenced there applied?

                    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...910#post286910

                    It would also cause choppiness in general.
                    I'm using KDE 4.9.2. Isn't that already applied?

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                    • #40
                      The thread was actually going pretty well... and then of course it gets derailed.

                      Originally posted by asdx
                      I don't understand why the need to trash-talk about nouveau
                      Why do you do it for the blob? We don't work for nvidia. Saying in every single nvidia topic how they need to open their specs doesn't do anything.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                        I'm using KDE 4.9.2. Isn't that already applied?
                        The patch was only applied upstream a month ago; From the looks of it KDE 4.9 got branches a while before that, so you need to apply it manually. I looked at this problem some more on yesterday and I see other GrabServer calls coming from KWin on window move, not just the one removed by the patch, so applying it might only alleviate the issues you're seeing and not remove them completely.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by asdx
                          Well, sure, and I apologize for that also.

                          But nouveau is more than a driver to me, I take it very personally because I see nouveau as the living proof that we as users want something better for Linux. Also, I see nouveau as the work by people who have been wronged by nvidia and I see nouveau as taking revenge and showing nvidia how to do things.

                          And the fact that people can code a driver without the help from nvidia is impressive to me and I think is very worthy of respect, even if they don't have the 3D acceleration that the blob has right now, I think the fact that these people are working for us is impressive, and I believe they deserve respect and our help, even if you are happily running the blob right now.

                          So it's really annoying when people call it garbage, it shows these people don't care for the work that Linux developers are doing and that makes me sad.

                          I don't care if people want to use the blob, but please have some respect for the work these people are doing with nouveau.

                          I don't understand why the need to trash-talk about nouveau just because some people here are happy with the blob, that distresses me a lot and it makes me angry.

                          I wish we could all get along.
                          Respect is a two way street. Don't call the blob names and people won't do the same for nouveau. Actually, they will, but who cares? It's just a piece of software that enables us to use the video card after all. I write software for a living and I still don't feel emotional at all about it.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by asdx
                            Ok I take that I've exaggerated a bit with these comments, sorry.
                            Good, we certainly can get along. I mean, "for Linus' sake", no-one wished you to die or anything.
                            Btw, as things are now, I'd say the blobs are needed, even for nouveau. Besides, no Nvidia-->no nvidia GPUs-->no use for nouveau.

                            Personally, I believe many things will gradually open, but it won't happen quickly, cause it's not JUST Nvidia themselves, but many factors, like parts of Nvidia driver/hardware etc actually licensed by third parties who in their part also don't really want to open up.
                            But open hardware seems like it "can become a thing" now, and that's good news always.
                            Fueling a needless, and in a way non-existent(I wouldn't say Nvidia and nouveau are actually in arms about something, no war is going on, and if there were we should try to prevent it, not fuel it), fight will not really help with anything, we will just fight among ourselves and waste our time, which we could use helping opensource, among other things actually.

                            The last part doesn't go to specifically you asdx though, but to many people just spewing hate around. Especially in these forums here.
                            Sorry on my end for insulting too, even though I found your behavior wrong, things never need to go this way, but please understand that aggressive attitudes trigger aggressiveness to other people too. This includes being aggressive against something other people support/believe whatever.
                            Be well everyone. Let's reduce the trolling/fighting/cursing whatever here, we can all get along.

                            **If I'm wrong in anything "technical" etc that I mentioned, please have me corrected.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Plagman View Post
                              The patch was only applied upstream a month ago; From the looks of it KDE 4.9 got branches a while before that, so you need to apply it manually. I looked at this problem some more on yesterday and I see other GrabServer calls coming from KWin on window move, not just the one removed by the patch, so applying it might only alleviate the issues you're seeing and not remove them completely.
                              I'll try out the patch when I have a bit of time on my hands later today. Though the 310.14 beta actually solves the VDPAU stutter problem here with vanilla KDE. Is the patch supposed to solve the GL VSync stutter problem?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                                I'll try out the patch when I have a bit of time on my hands later today. Though the 310.14 beta actually solves the VDPAU stutter problem here with vanilla KDE. Is the patch supposed to solve the GL VSync stutter problem?
                                Applying the patch should cause help with that also, yes. It should remove any problems when the window isn't moving and alleviate them if you're dragging the window.

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