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  • #91
    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    Oh, and Intel and AMD contribute to the kernel, Nvidia doesn't. But they have special requests.
    Really?

    Code:
    $ git log | grep "@nvidia.com" | wc -l
    1889

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    • #92
      Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
      They can offer exactly the same thing Intel and AMD offer. They simply refuse to do it.
      As far as i know (although i could be wrong, and bridgeman can correct me) AMD's blob isn't using dmabuf, either.

      Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
      'Oh, and Intel and AMD contribute to the kernel, Nvidia doesn't. But they have special requests.
      Where did you come up with that?

      Originally posted by Nvidia
      '...We are a very active participant in the ARM Linux kernel. For the latest 3.4 ARM kernel – the next-gen kernel to be used on future Linux, Android, and Chrome distributions – Nvidia ranks second in terms of total lines changed and fourth in terms of number of changesets for all employers or organisations.'
      So nvidia, doesn't contribute to the linux kernel? That's weird that you would claim they contribute nothing, when they are a heavy contributor, at least in the ARM linux kernel (and being as ARM is very popular, i think it should be taken into account). They also have contributed to X.org and probably other things, as well. Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with them requesting to use a new feature in the linux kernel, if they feel it will benefit Nvidia users... and who knows, had they been able to use it - they may have actually ended up contributing some patches to help improve dmabuf (although that is speculation, i admit).

      And personally, I don't care if Intel and AMD contribute more, because at the end of the day - they could've contributed 10x the amount that Nvidia has ~ yet Nvidia's drivers slaughter both of those companies linux drivers, and their hardware slaughters ANYTHING Intel is putting out. AMD makes comparable hardware, it's just too bad, their blob is always falling behind.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by ninez View Post
        As far as i know (although i could be wrong, and bridgeman can correct me) AMD's blob isn't using dmabuf, either.
        I'm curious to know too because I would think that dma-buf would be key for their APU and heterogeneous compute strategies.

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        • #94
          why are people so mad at what nvidia is doing to *their* drivers for *their* customer who *choose* to use *their* drivers...

          If you don't like nvidia, don't buy nvidia simple as that. That is why I havn't owned a piece of sony equipment for over 10years...

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Naib View Post
            why are people so mad at what nvidia is doing to *their* drivers for *their* customer who *choose* to use *their* drivers...
            Envy. NVidia *does* offer the best support for Linux and many people are like "I want that too", but then complain about non-Freeness.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by ninez View Post
              As far as i know (although i could be wrong, and bridgeman can correct me) AMD's blob isn't using dmabuf, either.
              But their open drivers are.

              So nvidia, doesn't contribute to the linux kernel? That's weird that you would claim they contribute nothing, when they are a heavy contributor, at least in the ARM linux kernel (and being as ARM is very popular, i think it should be taken into account).
              Not to the DRM/graphics part, which is where Intel is doing lots of heavy lifting. I should have been more specific.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                But their open drivers are.
                Sure, Radeon is ~ but Radeon also (while decent) is somewhat incomplete, and doesn't even come close to touching Nvidia, nor Catalyst.

                Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                Not to the DRM/graphics part, which is where Intel is doing lots of heavy lifting. I should have been more specific.
                and for all of Intel's 'heavy lifting' ~ their GPUs still don't touch Nvidia, nor does the perfomance or features match Nvidia.

                Regardless, you claimed Nvidia doesn't contribute to the kernel - when that simply is not true. ~ and i am not trying to start a fight, just pointing out the somewhat obvious, here.

                Originally posted by Naib View Post
                why are people so mad at what nvidia is doing to *their* drivers for *their* customer who *choose* to use *their* drivers...

                If you don't like nvidia, don't buy nvidia simple as that. That is why I havn't owned a piece of sony equipment for over 10years...
                asdx, should take that advice, rather than bitching in almost every nvidia thread.

                Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                Envy. NVidia *does* offer the best support for Linux and many people are like "I want that too", but then complain about non-Freeness.
                For sure, they offer the best support. And even if Nivida isn't doing what people would like them too - the fact that they make the best drivers HAS had a positive effect overall for linux, even if they do piss off some kernel developers.
                Last edited by ninez; 08-17-2012, 11:17 AM.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by ninez View Post
                  and for all of Intel's 'heavy lifting' ~ their GPUs still don't touch Nvidia, nor does the perfomance or features match Nvidia.
                  That's a hardware issue, their drivers are top-notch!

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                    That's a hardware issue, their drivers are top-notch!
                    My understanding from the last Phoronix benchmark is that the open Intel Linux drivers got curb-stomped by the closed Windows drivers?

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                    • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                      That's a hardware issue, their drivers are top-notch!
                      it's not just a hardware issue, Intel's drivers do NOT match Nvidia's and if you don't believe me ~ then go do a comparison of what they implement (as far as standards, like OpenGL) vs. Nvidia...

                      Intel's drivers are 'decent' NOT 'top-notch'.

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                      • Originally posted by johnc View Post
                        My understanding from the last Phoronix benchmark is that the open Intel Linux drivers got curb-stomped by the closed Windows drivers?
                        that is my understanding too. While Nvidia's drivers are fairly similar on both platforms.

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                        • It's my understanding that things have changed:

                          http://openbenchmarking.org/prospect...fc89be48b2e792

                          Also look at this thread: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...nux-3-6-Kernel

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                          • There's also the issue of trying to force manufacturers to disclose their hardware specs and force open source down their throats. If they don't want to, then you've got problems. And the source of those problems is you, not the manufacturer.

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                            • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                              It's my understanding that things have changed:

                              http://openbenchmarking.org/prospect...fc89be48b2e792
                              Those are just Intel benchmarks, not Intel compared to Nvidia. Sure they have improved - that doesn't mean they are more performant and better than Nvidia, and doesn't change the fact that Nvidia produces drivers that support all of the latest GL specs, while Intel doesn't (and isn't even close to - none of the OSS drivers are).

                              Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                              That thread clearly cites that they have improved and in *some cases* are catching up with Windows.

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                              • Originally posted by ninez View Post
                                Those are just Intel benchmarks, not Intel compared to Nvidia.
                                You were talking about Intel Linux vs. Intel Windows. If these are similar, then it is a hardware issue, and not the driver. Like I claimed.

                                and doesn't change the fact that Nvidia produces drivers that support all of the latest GL specs, while Intel doesn't (and isn't even close to - none of the OSS drivers are).
                                Yes, Mesa is lagging on some OpenGL stuff. OpenGL 4 is some ways off. But 3.3 is just around the corner. For me, a driver with VAAPI, OpenGL 3.3, excellent powersaving, blazingly fast 2d and perfect integration is a top-notch driver.

                                Nvidia driver is fast, but it will fuck up your system if you upgrade the kernel, doesn't support most mobile hardware currently being sold, and is not available out-of-the-box on pretty much anything, requiring jumping through hoops to get it working. Pick what you prefer.

                                That thread clearly cites that they have improved and in *some cases* are catching up with Windows.
                                That thread clearly says that the benchmarks are running 6 months-old drivers, and that huge improvements have landed in the meantime, which had not been benchmarked there.

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