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  • #91
    Originally posted by locovaca View Post
    That's not the issue. Exposing how a driver interacts with a patented portion just makes it easier for AMD to figure out what's going on and develop an extremely similar but, for the sake of patent infringement, different enough implementation.


    That's what a pattent is supussed to protect. Anyway, a different enough but better implementation (that would need a lot of investment and work) has its merits and should be protected too, that's how innovation goes faster isn't?

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    • #92
      Originally posted by locovaca View Post
      What incentive do I have to pour millions of dollars into researching and implementing new technologies if company x will wait 2 months, spend $50k on some overseas developers, and put together a lookalike in a few months?

      That is the opposite of sane competition.
      A pattent should avoid that kind of things. Copying without innovation is not fair. Just ask apple and its tablet competitors

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      • #93
        Originally posted by johnc View Post
        We're talking about people who live in theory and ideology and have very little understanding of the harsh realities businesses face.
        Well, you tell me.

        http://the-scientist.com/2012/06/19/...back-in-court/

        Those harsh reallities are for end consumers, not big bussines.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by macemoneta View Post
          I just removed the last Nvidia card from my systems; now running ATI and Intel with Fedora 17 out-of-the-box drivers. I get flawless 1080p video, 3D desktop and adequate light gaming. When Nvidia considers updating their attitude, I'll reconsider my opinion and recommendations.
          What AMD card specifically do you use, that you find more compelling than existing Intel-based acceleration?

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View Post
            A pattent should avoid that kind of things. Copying without innovation is not fair. Just ask apple and its tablet competitors
            The problem is that it could come as far as "Hey! Your thing is rectangular and uses screen! We've patented all kinds of tablets. As well as wheel, spoon and bicycle". You see, there should be something to avoid patents on trivial/well known things but it does not looks like it works. So unless innovators and inventors have many k$ or even M$ to defend from patent troll attacks they would be far better not inventing and manufacturing anything. Which is wrong.

            As for nVIDIA, they told many useless words. What a worthless company.

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            • #96
              Linus Torvaulds, the single most detrimental factor to GNU/Linux acceptance.

              Linus can just go fuck himself. As soon as somebody gets the balls to fork the kernel he can then just go fucking fork off in a new direction like the tree he is.

              Time to step down old man. Too old and stagnant. I really hope you read this shet. Here's what I think of your ever-changing API's and ABI (_|_) <-- that's an ASsCI ASS.

              NVidia is the best thing that ever became of Unix Graphics. They made graphics programming and gaming a breeze.

              sigh

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              • #97
                And you own an Optimus based laptop like the woman does who asked the question before?

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                • #98
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                  • #99
                    Wow a lot kids in this forum that just bitch and bitch and not know anything how businesses work and what nVidia have been and is doing now. Let me see on my setup with GeForce8 8400M GS with a dual monitor setup that was easy to setup with nvidia-settings, so you might ask does it work. Yes it does. The close-source driver works very well. OpenGL works just fine. I can play games with out being limited of OpenGL instructions. The first nVidia that I used in Linux was a GeForce3 and then a GeForceFX, so I may ask again does it work. Yes it does. I can play Unreal Tournament: TGOY Edition and Unreal Tournament 2004. WINE is not optimized for nVidia because WINE has not optimize their code for speed. WINE only optimized their code for compatibility with Windows applications. WINE developers and Cedega recommends nVidia because nVidia supports all OpenGL instructions. ATI or now is AMD graphics does not support all OpenGL that they said their drivers supports.

                    VDPAU on my GeForce8 8400M GS at this time does not work because of some odd reason. It worked when it first was implement. I am using nVidia driver version 290.10. The amount of times that I use VDPAU is never because Mplayer supports multi-threading, so hardware acceleration for me becomes redundant. Though nVidia does actually fix their drivers if there is a problem. I had problem in previous releases when OpenGL is initialized the screen goes blank and few seconds later it goes back to normal or shows the graphics.

                    I do not just have nVidia graphic cards. I also have ATI and AMD radeon graphic cards. I have a ATI Radeon 64 VIVO, an ATI Radeon 32, and a AMD Radeon HD from a 780G chipset. Sometimes I test where the open source drivers are at. They are still far behind of supporting all features compared to nVidia supports for their products. Sure I can use fglrx or AMD graphics closed-source drivers, but it does not provide complete features and there are some missing OpenGL instructions in these drivers. Running games that I have might work with AMD graphic cards, but not all games if I run with WINE or Cedega.

                    For everybody's information, nVidia did try support Optimus in Linux, but the way that nVidia is going to use is kernel developers say NO. They say no to nVidia because of feature that can help Linux future proof itself for better desktop support that can benefit other companies like Intel and AMD have switching support. There is a bureaucracy going on with Linux internally, so it getting very messy. Linus Travolds wants Linux be for desktops, but the Linux community seems it should not be. Even Linus Travolds acts that Linux should not be for desktops.

                    I say WOW again because the people in the Linux community acts like a religious fanatic in a way that everything should be open source. I use Linux on a daily basis with mixture of open source and closed source programs and drivers, it works well and gives the best of both worlds. I tired of the Linux community because there are too many religious fanatics that say open source good, close source bad, and Linus Travolds good to bow to. Sheesh people go get a brain, so you be your own individual because sounds like a broken record.

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                    • Originally posted by tecknurd View Post
                      GeForce8 8400M GS with a dual monitor setup that was easy to setup with nvidia-settings,
                      Try how easy it is rotating one of the screens.

                      Originally posted by tecknurd View Post
                      WINE developers and Cedega recommends nVidia because nVidia supports all OpenGL instructions. ATI or now is AMD graphics does not support all OpenGL that they said their drivers supports.
                      Even with open source radeon's nearly opengl3.0 you can play skyrim or crysis2. Lack of support for OpenGL extensions is bad but not as bad as you think.

                      Originally posted by tecknurd View Post
                      VDPAU on my GeForce8 8400M GS at this time does not work because
                      Originally posted by tecknurd View Post
                      I say WOW again because the people in the Linux community acts like a religious fanatic in a way that everything should be open source.
                      If the nvidia driver was open source your vdpau problem would most probably already be fixed and you wouldn't have had to wait for years even for xrandr support. If the flash plugin was open source the color palette switching problem with vdpau would be fixed already. Closed Source software is good for a company to protect whatever "secret" knowledge they need to protect but it is bad for everybody else.

                      Originally posted by tecknurd View Post
                      Even Linus Travolds acts that Linux should not be for desktops.
                      Originally posted by tecknurd View Post
                      I tired of the Linux community because there are too many religious fanatics that say open source good, close source bad, and Linus Travolds good to bow to. Sheesh people go get a brain, so you be your own individual because sounds like a broken record.
                      Srsly?

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                      • Originally posted by tecknurd View Post
                        I say WOW again because the people in the Linux community acts like a religious fanatic in a way that everything should be open source. I use Linux on a daily basis with mixture of open source and closed source programs and drivers, it works well and gives the best of both worlds. I tired of the Linux community because there are too many religious fanatics that say open source good, close source bad, and Linus Travolds good to bow to. Sheesh people go get a brain, so you be your own individual because sounds like a broken record.
                        Linus is a opensource guy, he even said if someone would like to build laser sharks and use linux there he would be glad. he is the oposite of a fanatic, but if something in linux as system should be opensource its drivers. you can maybe install 1000 photoshops (if they would be there) nobody would say against adobe anything. but its stupid, and they fail you bring examples where they do no vdpau etc to try to keep up with such a big commnity like the kernel devs, the linux kernel changes year for year faster and more commits come in each year, and it grows fast... and like we seen they even now fail with it. you gave the examples and the optimus example is another one where they just not where be able to do that, with the manpower they have for linux. and its even worse they dont try to keep up alone with the kernel devs they replace half of the xserver so they dont have to support the newest extentions like kms and so on...

                        where should that end next time they bring theyr own commercial xserver with it because they are tired of the xorg api changes? where is wayland support when will it come in 1000 years? I see the next ubuntu rts where wayland is then preinstalled as default displayserver and when you want to use the nvidia blob you have to install the old xserver *omg*

                        again, you can call somebody fanatic when he says mono and java programms are not free people even I somewhat agree a bit here but I am a bit of fanatic at least in your eyes, but linus is that not, he just used for his project the gpl lisence the kernel and now somebody tries to make "plugins" to kind of fork his kernel to a closed source blob (what would so if you see it that way would be illigal) so the workaround this way a legal forbitten way.

                        And even here linus would like I know his words not be to bad mannered about this trick and about this driver, if they would give out some specs and reakt not when they want to, and jmust let some people some of their customers sit in the shit with their hardware like this optimus stuff was. because they think hmm onl xy count of users of our customers have such a setup, fuck it you get never in 1000 years from us even a closed source driver.

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                        • Originally posted by asdx
                          You are a fucking moron for defending a company that clearly doesn't give a shit about Linux and that hinders development. Fuck off.
                          Are you losing your mind or something?! seriously?

                          you did read the part where he said;

                          As for nVIDIA, they told many useless words. What a worthless company.
                          ...right?

                          I think you need to calm down/relax, asdx. I didn't get the impression he was 'defending' them. He goes on about patents, and then calls nvidia a 'worthless company'.

                          My advice - chill the @#$% out - or go and fork linux like you were talking about before and write your own damn OpenGL 4.2 drivers that are competitive and/or better than Nvidia's *nix drivers.

                          Personally, while nvidia's development in linux, may not be ideal (far from it, at least in terms of working with OSS developers) they still make a kickass driver that is arguably the best video driver available for linux.

                          what are you going to do next, tell me to go fuck myself, like you own this forum, because i am a happy nvidia user?

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                          • Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
                            If the nvidia driver was open source your vdpau problem would most probably already be fixed and you wouldn't have had to wait for years even for xrandr support. If the flash plugin was open source the color palette switching problem with vdpau would be fixed already. Closed Source software is good for a company to protect whatever "secret" knowledge they need to protect but it is bad for everybody else.
                            Well, at least there is a simple work around. patch VDPAU and run your browser with 'VDPAU_TRACE=1 yourbrowser'.

                            VDPAU/Flash works fine here, has since the first time i saw 'blue skin on youtube' and fixed it. Sure it is a hack, but at least it works and only took all of about 2 minutes to fix. ~ and i have an Nvidia employee to thank for this

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                            • Originally posted by tecknurd View Post
                              I say WOW again because the people in the Linux community acts like a religious fanatic in a way that everything should be open source.
                              Nice strawman, astroturf.

                              Open the specs to help independent developers improve nouveau and support features Nvidia doesn't want to. Plugging a closed-source blob into a fast-changing open-source kernel is difficult, and if Nvidia wants to waste time on doing this, they are welcome to, but there's no reason not to release specs so other people can work on a free driver.

                              I tired of the Linux community because there are too many religious fanatics that say open source good, close source bad, and Linus Travolds good to bow to.
                              Goodbye!

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                              • I like to be able to do whatever the fuck I want to do on MY COMPUTER, which is to fucking compute whatever I want it to. nVidia SUCKS because they sell hardware that CAN'T BE PROGRAMMED to do what I WOULD WANT IT TO DO.

                                It's like "Here's your brand new Ferrari, sir. Nope you can't drive it yourself. OMG freedom fanatic little kid! It's better than a Volkswagen Golf, moron! Ferrari has the right to stay in controll of the Ferrari because it's a company!"

                                Do you realise how dumb defending nVidia sounds?

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