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  • #16
    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
    ... And this with Unity 3D.

    Maybe in 2019 Phoronix will ceases to compare the slow(est) [1] WM [2] to Windows and OSX.
    *Sigh*

    - Gilboa
    [1]http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_managers1 &num=4
    [2] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...desktops&num=2

    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
    Yea, it makes sense to compare stock Win7 to stock Ubuntu. Although it would be very interesting to see how it compares to optimised Win7 and optimised Ubuntu (TWM and such ).
    +1
    Who cares of the window manager when the game is fullscreen?
    PTS should support benchmarking in a separate X server, totally blank and without even a window manager.
    I'm looking forward for year 2019...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Teho View Post
      Ubuntu is the most popular desktop Linux distribution so comparing to it is only natural and it just happen to use Unity.
      Given the fact that no-one ever bothers to methodically sample Linux users (aside from Distrowatch) and given the inherit difficulty in trying to measure the user-base of freely distributed operating system - I *fail* to see how anyone can magically decided that Ubuntu *is* Linux and as a result Unity *is* the most widely used DE.

      Speaking for distrowatch (again the only reliable / non-reliable source of Linux userbase statistics) in the past six months, *not* only Ubuntu was second base, but it also accounted for *only* ~20% of the total user base. *

      .... And even if we agree that Ubuntu is that yardstick, which not also add Kubuntu? Xubutnu?
      In my small little world, I'd first find the fastest Linux distribution and *than* compare it to OSX and Windows 7... But guess its just me.

      - Gilboa
      * Granted Mint is based on Ubuntu, but A. AFAIR it doesn't use Unity by default and B. Ubunutu is partially based on Debian so I'm not sure it's relevant.
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      • #18
        Ubuntu themselves claim 20M users (was that the right number?), while other distros don't give numbers generally. Even though they don't give out the method, it's pretty much the only number available.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by curaga View Post
          Ubuntu themselves claim 20M users (was that the right number?), while other distros don't give numbers generally. Even though they don't give out the method, it's pretty much the only number available.
          Somehow I don't put much trust in distro supplied numbers, unless its actual paying customers (E.g. OpenSUSE / RedHat)

          - Gilboa
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          • #20
            Originally posted by gilboa View Post
            Given the fact that no-one ever bothers to methodically sample Linux users (aside from Distrowatch) and given the inherit difficulty in trying to measure the user-base of freely distributed operating system - I *fail* to see how anyone can magically decided that Ubuntu *is* Linux and as a result Unity *is* the most widely used DE.
            No one here's deciding what is Linux and what is not. This was a comparson between Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04 not Windows 7 and Linux.


            Originally posted by gilboa View Post
            Speaking for distrowatch (again the only reliable / non-reliable source of Linux userbase statistics) in the past six months, *not* only Ubuntu was second base, but it also accounted for *only* ~20% of the total user base. *
            There's nothing realible in Distrowatch. None. If you want something that gives even some hint of what popular and what is not then Google Trends is a good start:
            https://www.google.fi/trends/?q=Ubun...ate=all&sort=0

            Originally posted by gilboa View Post
            .... And even if we agree that Ubuntu is that yardstick, which not also add Kubuntu? Xubutnu?
            I guess it is fun to test the difference between various Ubuntu spins but this test is not about that. You do understand that it takes time to do tests and those distributions have only a fraction of Ubuntu's userbase.

            Originally posted by gilboa View Post
            In my small little world, I'd first find the fastest Linux distribution and *than* compare it to OSX and Windows 7... But guess its just me.
            What exactly would those results tell us? I mean I think it's a bit more valuable information to know how actually useful platforms perfom than something that is tweaked for just one setup or used by no one.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by gilboa View Post
              In my small little world, I'd first find the fastest Linux distribution and *than* compare it to OSX and Windows 7... But guess its just me.
              A highly tweaked, system-specific distro vs (relatively) unoptimised, designed-to-work-on-everything OSs. Yep, that sounds like a worthwhile comparison.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Teho View Post
                No one here's deciding what is Linux and what is not. This was a comparson between Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04 not Windows 7 and Linux.
                I beg to differ.


                There's nothing realible in Distrowatch. None. If you want something that gives even some hint of what popular and what is not then Google Trends is a good start:
                https://www.google.fi/trends/?q=Ubun...ate=all&sort=0
                Again, I beg to differ.
                Google trends is just as reliable (or unreliable) as Distrowatch.

                I guess it is fun to test the difference between various Ubuntu spins but this test is not about that. You do understand that it takes time to do tests and those distributions have only a fraction of Ubuntu's userbase.
                ... So the solution is to select the slowest spin. OK.

                What exactly would those results tell us? I mean I think it's a bit more valuable information to know how actually useful platforms perfom than something that is tweaked for just one setup or used by no one.
                I doubt that Kubuntu, or Fedora, or Debian or OpenSUSE used by no-one uses but OK.

                - Gilboa
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by randomizer View Post
                  A highly tweaked, system-specific distro vs (relatively) unoptimised, designed-to-work-on-everything OSs. Yep, that sounds like a worthwhile comparison.
                  So in your book, Feodra, OpenSUSE, Debian or even, God forbids, Kubunutu / Xubunutu are "highly-optimized" system-specific distributions.
                  Yet another, "Oh, OK".

                  - Gilboa
                  Last edited by gilboa; 05-19-2012, 06:06 AM.
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                  BACK: Tyan Tempest i5400XT, 2xE5335, 8GB, 3x1.5TB, 9800GTX, F21/x86-64.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                    Google trends is just as reliable (or unreliable) as Distrowatch.
                    Well do you see the problem here? They give totally different results. From distriwatch page:

                    DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking
                    The DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics have attracted plenty of attention and feedback over the years. Originally, each distribution-specific page was pure HTML with a third-party counter at the bottom to monitor interest of visitors. In May 2004 the site switched from publicly viewable third-party counters to internal counters. This was prompted by a continuous abuse of the counters by a handful of undisciplined individuals who had confused DistroWatch with a poll station. The counters are no longer displayed on the individual distributions pages, but all visits are logged. Only one hit per IP address per day is counted.

                    The DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics are a light-hearted way of measuring the popularity of Linux distributions and other free operating systems among the visitors of this website. They correlate neither to usage nor to quality and should not be used to measure the market share of distributions. They simply show the number of times a distribution page on DistroWatch.com was accessed each day, nothing more.
                    How in the hell does page hits on a small site that looks like its from the ninetiens with content that most linux wouldn't care about tell us ubout the overall popularity of Linux distributions? I mean Ubuntu is a mainstream distribution; it's used by mostly normal people not distrohoppers.


                    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                    ... So the solution is to select the slowest spin. OK.
                    The most popular. How hard is that to understand?

                    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                    I doubt that Kubuntu, or Fedora, or Debian or OpenSUSE account for "noone", but OK. -- So in your book, Feodra, OpenSUSE, Debian or even, God forbids, Kubunutu / Xubunutu are "highly-optimized" system-specific distributions.
                    Yet another, "Oh, OK".
                    You can't honestly believe that main stream distributions like openSUSE or Fedora performe the best? Ubuntu has pretty modern video drivers so it's probably on a better side on that. The only thing that makes some but only a little difference is the window manager, Compiz. I'm pretty sure that someone with Gentoo has setup with an environment that has best graphical performance possible; shouldn't we test that by your defenition?

                    Originally posted by teho
                    No one here's deciding what is Linux and what is not. This was a comparson between Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04 not Windows 7 and Linux.
                    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                    .I beg to differ.
                    Explain. I have no idea where you got the idea.

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                    • #25
                      as a long time slackware user, i can say i google way more "ubuntu" then "slackware"
                      its a distro that dosent need google much if you read etc's and man's

                      and for anyone that asks me i tell them to install xubuntu or fedora-xfce (cuz theres a gui for everything in them)

                      Google are pro's at general statistics, distrowatch althou not as profesional as google has specialised at distros.
                      bouth cant possibly measure distro adoption precisely

                      still i belief normal/unity ubuntu is by far the most distributed distro simply cuz its comercialised the most

                      but i also think that people dont plan to play games or use opencl in linux, just browse the web mainly(ofc movies music and documents too)

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