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  • #16
    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    Licensing clash, doubt you will ever see it.
    So most recent nvidia laptops will not work with Linux.

    This is clearly a terrible situation. Every AMD chipset ever released works under Linux, even using OSS drivers.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by efikkan View Post
      If they are going to release an open driver in the very distant future, the best way to do this would be to open source their stable branch of their drivers.
      I don't think that this would be a good idea, for several reasons:

      - 3rd party code
      - patented software
      - it would be an island separate from everything else in Linux land like it is now. Much of the nouveau core is well designed and efficient, it's just missing the countless optimisations across the board. A HUGE driver which reimplements all of Mesa, most of X, and the entire linux kernel would be impossible for most OSS hackers to understand, let alone improve on.

      The best way would be to support nouveau with documentation (most important) and developers.

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      • #18
        The open source drivers lack features and performance, and is useless for high end games. They way these drivers are made they will never get close to the quality of nVidia's proprietary drivers.

        It would actually be better to improve a good driver architecture than a mess consisting of mesa and gallium3d.

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        • #19
          The nvidia driver is millions of lines of code, much of it dirty hacks made for specific games.

          Releasing that would likely not be very useful. The AMD OSS developers have access to the Catalyst code (which is similar in terms of complexity and performance), and I don't think that any of it gets used directly.

          It's simply too complicated. Documentation and support are more important.

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          • #20
            Also, please note that r300g doesn't really lack either features or performance.

            It's simply a matter of documentation and manpower. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Mesa or Gallium3d.

            Writing and maintaining new Mesa and Gallium3d architecture for each card (one for nvidia, one for AMD, one for Intel...), that's a dumb suggestion.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by glxextxexlg View Post
              You know, if it to be AMD to announce this job offer (ie: we're looking for guys to develop binary blobs), Q wouldn't make fantastic statements like this. It would all be justified for him.

              But it is not. AMD gives way to linux developers while nvidia employs them and you know why? They are successful in linux workstations, handheld linux devices, scientific visualization etc. and amd is not.
              quote me in that way if you can.... you can't ? i'm sorry for you you can't

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              • #22
                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                Add
                Code:
                nvidia-settings –load-config-only &
                to your ~/.xinitrc file, or in ~/.kderc (KDE) or in ~/.gnomerc, etc…
                As I explained already, this will not restore your monitor settings, things like resolution, multi-monitor layout, and so on.

                Besides, editing shell scripts is not a gui-based approach anyway, so even if it did work it wouldn't actually solve the problem. On windows, you just set the settings and you are done. Same with anyone using randr. But for Nvidia there is no purely GUI-based user-level solution.

                Of course, even if it did, that still leaves the question of why Nvidia can't just support randr 1.2 like everyone else. It also leaves the question of why they said years ago that it would be out soon, why they they said years ago it was a "top priority", then later admitted it was never a priority and probably never will be.

                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                Licensing clash, doubt you will ever see it.
                We simply aren't going to be able use Nvidia on laptops, then.

                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                Doable but not a high priority until wayland starts proving itself that it will be the replacement for X.
                Everyone else seems pretty convinced.

                This is part of the problem with Nvidia's approach. They don't even begin thinking of trying to work on support for something until a stable version is out. That means you are left with months, if not years, of it working with every other driver until Nvidia finally gets around to working on it.

                It took something like 6 months after KDE 4.0 was released before Nvidia finally got around to fixing crippling bugs in their drivers, bugs no other drivers. Heck, it took a month or two until they even admitted the bugs were their fault. The bugs had been known for at least that long beforehand during the beta cycle, but Nvidia said they refused to even look at the problem since it was still beta software.

                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                Don't be so sure about that. Nvidia doesn't typically announce anything until they have a solution ready for the public. They "didn't have any plans" for accelerated video decode for example and then "Bam!" there was vdpau.
                Yes, that is true when implementing their own internal stuff. But when supporting Linux software or standard components of Linux or Xorg, in the past even when they said they would work on it that doesn't actually mean they will.

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                • #23
                  I personally hope the new member of the driver team will focus on user oriented features, such as optimus, game profiles, custom fan profiles, fermi overclocking etc. nVidia is currently the only one offering enterprise quality drivers.

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                  • #24
                    I'd like to see optimus support. What kind of license clash stands in the way?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      nvidia:"join the team of the open-source haters we pay 6$6$6$ dollars per Day you only need to sign a contract with the Devil and your soul goes to hell after you are death"
                      Well, that's Ironic, isn't it? The one who pro open-source with their hiring mechanism, VS the one who hate open-source?

                      But it is not. AMD gives way to linux developers while nvidia employs them and you know why? They are successful in linux workstations, handheld linux devices, scientific visualization etc. and amd is not.
                      One word: Tegra FTW.
                      err.. that's 4 word.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by t.s. View Post
                        Well, that's Ironic, isn't it?
                        there are 2 parts of Ironic one of them means the exakt other thats it writen and the other one makes fun on the way it goes but it does mean the writen sentence.

                        the first one: no i really mean what i write.

                        the second one: yes its fun because nvidia really should hire more linux guys.
                        Fun because: hell yes if microsoft goes to hell i sell my soul to the devil to



                        Originally posted by t.s. View Post
                        The one who pro open-source with their hiring mechanism, VS the one who hate open-source?
                        my english really fails here...sorry. amd really hiring more opensource devs really!

                        but yes if i need the functionality i use the amd cloused source driver to.

                        means i'm not against the the nvidia cloused source driver i'm just against there Politic about: not give the opensource guys a chance by support with spec's.


                        Originally posted by t.s. View Post
                        One word: Tegra FTW.
                        err.. that's 4 word.
                        really Fusion beats tegra in all ways...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                          So most recent nvidia laptops will not work with Linux.

                          This is clearly a terrible situation. Every AMD chipset ever released works under Linux, even using OSS drivers.
                          All depends on the implementation of the BIOS.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by marwi509 View Post
                            I'd like to see optimus support. What kind of license clash stands in the way?
                            Namely the GPL. Then there is also Xorg's reluctance to accept any code required for nvidia blob use. They wouldn't even accept a 4 line condition to give preference to the blob if detected installed on the system.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                              Everyone else seems pretty convinced.
                              That isn't the case at all however. Wayland is still a proof of concept more then anything else and there are still tons of plans and releases ahead for X.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                                Namely the GPL. Then there is also Xorg's reluctance to accept any code required for nvidia blob use. They wouldn't even accept a 4 line condition to give preference to the blob if detected installed on the system.
                                There is a difference between code to support the blob and code to give preference to the blob. Do you have examples where they turned down patches that were needed to support features on anything other than its technical merits?

                                And I am not exactly clear on how GPL makes optimus impossible.

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