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  • #16
    Nobody is doing damage control, Nvidia provides a much needed improved GPU for the low-end market with improved performance, feature set and power consumption. The obsolete previous gen products like 8600, 9500 are as good as End of Life and discontinued. Even Anandtech praised it for its low power consumption.

    Similarly we’re happy to see DirectX 10.1 support arrive on an NVIDIA part, and the 7W idle power usage on this card is amazing.
    And you're the clueless person, AMD has over 5 billion dollars in debt and has not has a profit since 2006(Core 2 Duo, Quad and Core i7 destroyed AMD and Sandy Bridge looks to do more of the same), Nvidia is fully profitable & has no debt and has great products in the pipeline like the next-gen 40nm Tegra SoC. Not to mention the fact Oak Ridge National Laboratory already gave Nvidia a huge design win by selecting Fermi. Wanna guess which company will go down first?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...S,M,GT,MYL,HTZ

    When will AMD actually make money again? The question is becoming more important by the day since it carries over $5 billion in long-term debt.

    After losing almost $3 billion from 2007 – 2008, analysts expect the company to lose more money in 2009 and 2010.

    While the shares rallied from their February $2 low, they still appear stuck in a long-term down trend from $40 highs way back in 2006.
    Last edited by GT220; 10-19-2009, 09:22 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GT220 View Post
      Nobody is doing damage control, Nvidia provides a much needed improved GPU for the low-end market with improved performance, feature set and power consumption. The obsolete previous gen products like 8600, 9500 are as good as End of Life and discontinued. Even Anandtech praised it for its low power consumption.



      And you're the clueless person, AMD has over 5 billion dollars in debt and has not has a profit since 2006(Core 2 Duo, Quad and Core i7 destroyed AMD and Sandy Bridge looks to do more of the same), Nvidia is fully profitable & has no debt and has great products in the pipeline like the next-gen 40nm Tegra SoC. Not to mention the fact Oak Ridge National Laboratory already gave Nvidia a huge design win by selecting Fermi. Wanna guess which company will go down first?

      http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...S,M,GT,MYL,HTZ
      And Nvidia has been pushed out of the chipset market for everything but the ION, which will be getting the axe assoon as the SoC Atoms are released, has a long going problem of failing GPUs, the most recent of which is Sony http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/08/...dia-notebooks/ and has generally been making an ass of itself all over the internet for the last month for reasons I posted earlier.

      Originally posted by GT220 View Post
      Nobody is doing damage control

      Could have fooled me.

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      • #18
        So why do you still use Nvidia then? Since you want to be an ATI fanboi so much, go and buy their DX11 card now. I'm sure you'll enjoy using their Linux drivers.

        Failing GPUs are only the old 80nm parts like 8600(G84) and 8400(G86) which are long discontinued, and you believe what the biggest ATI asskisser Charlie writes? LOLOL, dumber than dumb indeed you are. Most of Charlie's BS lies were debunked at Beyond3d forums.

        Loss of chipset market is irrelevant, Nvidia is replacing that with revenue from the Tegra SoC, which will be far better. Intel is well known to be greedy, wanting the chipset market cake and eating it too. VIA should know that, they got driven out by Intel's greed.
        Last edited by GT220; 10-19-2009, 09:50 PM.

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        • #19
          When people start talking about a companies stock price and revenue numbers, it's a bad sign. It means they can't come up with anything to say about the hardware.

          This card is actually a pretty decent buy, on Linux, because of the VDPAU support that it's competition lacks. Unfortunately for NVIDIA, it's nowhere close to being competitive on Windows where they make the majority of their sales.

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          • #20
            GT 220 is competitive enough. Even on Windows ATI sucks badly in the driver dept, Nvidia's DXVA decoding support and compatability is far superior to ATI's. There's plenty of H.264 encodes that ATI cannot decode on their shitty UVD/UVD2, that the Nvidia first generation VP2 can do with the latest Nvidia drivers.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by GT220 View Post
              GT 220 is competitive enough. Even on Windows ATI sucks badly in the driver dept, Nvidia's DXVA decoding support and compatability is far superior to ATI's. There's plenty of H.264 encodes that ATI cannot decode on their shitty UVD/UVD2, that the Nvidia first generation VP2 can do with the latest Nvidia drivers.
              Proof? I haven't had any problems... The best thing the 220 has going for it on windows is the brand name - lots of people will buy it just because it says NVIDIA on the box, without looking at what they're actually getting.

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              • #22
                i dont know about you guys, but i dont go a day without running the latest windows 64 bit drivers on my ubuntu machine. The latest drivers are required for valid results.

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                • #23
                  Like I said, I think NVIDIA can make a good case for these cards on Linux. For the same price you've got 3 distinct options:

                  1. ATI with horrible/buggy 3d performance + 0SS drivers
                  2. ATI with good (relatively) performance with binary drivers that are still incomplete/buggy
                  3. NV with mediocre performance but features like VDPAU in the solid binary drivers.

                  I suspect NVidia would probably win the majority of the marketshare based on the 3 options above. The problem is that in Windows the drivers are fairly even and NV just can't match up with the hardware.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by GT220 View Post
                    So why do you still use Nvidia then? Since you want to be an ATI fanboi so much, go and buy their DX11 card now. I'm sure you'll enjoy using their Linux drivers.

                    Failing GPUs are only the old 80nm parts like 8600(G84) and 8400(G86) which are long discontinued, and you believe what the biggest ATI asskisser Charlie writes? LOLOL, dumber than dumb indeed you are. Most of Charlie's BS lies were debunked at Beyond3d forums.

                    Loss of chipset market is irrelevant, Nvidia is replacing that with revenue from the Tegra SoC, which will be far better. Intel is well known to be greedy, wanting the chipset market cake and eating it too. VIA should know that, they got driven out by Intel's greed.
                    Oh I know about Charlie, Like anyone his word should be taken with a grain of salt, but it doesn't change the fact that even he is right on the money sometimes. As for Beyond3D, I wouldn't know, they aren't one of my usual haunts. I perfer HardOCP, Guru3D, MadShrimps, Jonny Guru, Xtreme Systems and OCF for my tech info.

                    Loss of the chipset market is by no means irrelevant, especially since it only leaves you with a delayed series of GPU, and the hope that the next gen Gameboy doesn't flop, not everything Nintendo touches is gold, remember the that the N64 did nowhere near what was expected and that the Virtual Boy is the bastard stepchild they keep locked under the basement stairs. Lets also not forget that the 800Lb gorilla in the room, Intel, is looking to take the GPU market by releasing their own GPU for the low to mid range, I wouldn't expect the Larabee to take the high end till at least it's 3rd generation, but Intel having a GPU in the market that is anything better then an IGP means that they will be able to further leverage themselves till they force everyone else out.

                    VIA was driven out by failing at just about everything they did since they made S3TC. Though thats not to say with a 3rd party chipset and GPU that a scaled up Nano couldn't get them back into the low end desktop market.

                    Who says I'm not planning on going with ATI/AMD on my next build? I'm looking for a buyer for this box first.

                    Originally posted by GT220 View Post
                    Since you want to be an ATI fanboi so much, go and buy their DX11 card now. I'm sure you'll enjoy using their Linux drivers.

                    LOLOL, dumber than dumb indeed you are.
                    So...Does this mean I win by default or something? Oh and before I forget http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature Just waiting on the prerequisites to fall into place and the driver should come together quite quickly.

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                    • #25
                      This card has 48 cores??? Shouldn't it be getting higher benchmarks?
                      Maybe the drivers or benchmarking software are not taking advantage of this? Not a bad price for a new low end card.
                      I have a GTX 285 now and I'm pretty sure I'm not using both cores in Jaunty Jackalope with the 185.18.36 driver.
                      Can't wait to see what the Nvidia open source drivers can do!

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                      • #26
                        Nvidia is starting to look worryingly similar to 3dfx when they tried to release the Voodoo 6000 (albeit vastly larger and more efficient). I'm sure some people are rubbing their hands with glee now - Nvidia acquired a lot of bad karma and ill-will when they bought 3dfx...

                        Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                        Originally posted by GT220
                        GT 220 is competitive enough. Even on Windows ATI sucks badly in the driver dept, Nvidia's DXVA decoding support and compatability is far superior to ATI's. There's plenty of H.264 encodes that ATI cannot decode on their shitty UVD/UVD2, that the Nvidia first generation VP2 can do with the latest Nvidia drivers.
                        Proof? I haven't had any problems... The best thing the 220 has going for it on windows is the brand name - lots of people will buy it just because it says NVIDIA on the box, without looking at what they're actually getting.
                        Come on, why are you even paying attention to this shill? He registered just to advertise the GT220, you won't find any truth to his words that's not twisted to hell and back.

                        For example this "shitty drivers on Windows" argument. He forgot to mention that Nvidia drivers were responsible for 3x times as much crashes as Ati drivers in 2007 (28.8% vs 9.3%). (If you have any more recent statistics, I'd love to hear them!)

                        My personal experience is that NV drivers were beyond shitty on Vista for over a year after its release (Ati drivers worked pretty much fine since Vista RC1). Even now, multi-monitor support is a crapshoot with Nvidia's drivers forgetting or setting the wrong resolution time after time (Ati's drivers work correctly in the same setup).

                        Originally posted by cliff
                        This card has 48 cores??? Shouldn't it be getting higher benchmarks?
                        Simply put, no. That's why you shouldn't listen to anything that comes out of a shill's mouth without a huge barrel of salt (1024 threads, oh wow!)

                        This is a low end card with low end performance. For comparison, Ati's flagship (the 5870) has 1600 cores, each one more capable than this card's paltry 48. Of course, this doesn't say the whole story either: the 5870 uses GDDR5 memory (vs GDDR2 or 3 for this card) and its architecture is vastly different, both more efficient and more capable (shader model 5 vs 4.1).

                        As I said, you won't find any truth in a shill's words that's not twisted beyond any recognition.

                        The bottom line is that this card is a marginal improvement over Nvidia's previous low-end hardware. It's mostly an attempt to increase margins for Nvidia and tide them over to the GT3xx release. There's no point in upgrading if you are already using a 8600/9500/9600 and there's little point in putting this card into an HTPC as long as it has a fan.

                        I'd only recommend this card if (a) you can find it fanless and (b) you want to build a low-powered Linux box. In all other cases, there are better choices than the GT220:
                        - Nvidia's 9500 for a fanless, low-power Linux box.
                        - Ati's 4670 for a fanless, low-power Windows box that can also play some games.
                        - Ati's 5xx0 series for more serious gaming.

                        Edit: spelling mistakes...
                        Last edited by BlackStar; 10-20-2009, 04:14 AM.

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                        • #27
                          In about 2,3 months nvidia knows exactly what the marked share for lowend videocards are on linux. No informed window user would buy this card.
                          Last edited by tmpdir; 10-20-2009, 05:31 AM.

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                          • #28


                            The ATI result look like V-Sync.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by GT220 View Post
                              GT 220 is competitive enough. Even on Windows ATI sucks badly in the driver dept, Nvidia's DXVA decoding support and compatability is far superior to ATI's. There's plenty of H.264 encodes that ATI cannot decode on their shitty UVD/UVD2, that the Nvidia first generation VP2 can do with the latest Nvidia drivers.
                              You are an cute Fanboy. On my System i have no problems with DXVA and ATI with h.264 and VC-1. Or its posibile that i make something wrong because its work?

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                              • #30
                                With AMD's Windows drivers, H.264 decoding via DXVA is restricted to level 4.1, while NVidia's drivers can decode up to level 5.0 (like VDPAU). I guess this is just a software issue though.

                                It's clear that AMD has the superior hardware at the moment, but with the crappy driver situation it simply is a no-go.

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