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  • #16
    Originally posted by GreatWalrus View Post
    One AMD release could have as many new features or fixes as five Nvidia releases.
    LOL< that could have made it to xkcd.com, that is hilarious, and demonstrates the poster doesn't own both cards. I own nvidia and ATI, and let me tell you, Nvidia is years ahead on improvements than ATI on their drivers. ATI just limit to release bad quality drivers, with support for 2 outdated distributions, and one that is not that up to date. Man, ATI is a joke, Nvidia on the other hand loves Linux.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by kensai View Post
      LOL< that could have made it to xkcd.com, that is hilarious, and demonstrates the poster doesn't own both cards. I own nvidia and ATI, and let me tell you, Nvidia is years ahead on improvements than ATI on their drivers. ATI just limit to release bad quality drivers, with support for 2 outdated distributions, and one that is not that up to date. Man, ATI is a joke, Nvidia on the other hand loves Linux.
      Troll.

      I said I don't own Nvidia cards. The point was more in line with susikala's point, that Nvidia is bumping a release number for every little bugfix. My point was that all these little releases could hold as much new content or fixes as one ATI driver release. I did NOT once say ATI was better than Nvidia. Boy did you misinterpret me.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by GreatWalrus View Post
        Troll.

        I said I don't own Nvidia cards. The point was more in line with susikala's point, that Nvidia is bumping a release number for every little bugfix. My point was that all these little releases could hold as much new content or fixes as one ATI driver release. I did NOT once say ATI was better than Nvidia. Boy did you misinterpret me.
        Still, is a Troll to say Nvidia updates for every little bug fix, go and check the changelogs and then talk.

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        • #19
          Ok whatever the case, someone flush fglrx down the toilet.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
            Ok whatever the case, someone flush fglrx down the toilet.
            I just beat it over the head with the open source ATI driver (which supports my "outdated" video card, unlike fglrx)

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            • #21
              So is the fact that us Linux users are having Nvidia vs ATi flame wars mean we're another step closer to being feature-complete with the Windows guys?

              All joking aside, I think a little flaming action is a good sign, because it's proof we have more than one legitimate option. Before ATi started their open source initiative, no one had a reason to like them.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by GreatWalrus View Post
                I just beat it over the head with the open source ATI driver (which supports my "outdated" video card, unlike fglrx)
                Eventually Nouveau rather than nv driver will be handling the old cards so that people can still keep using them till they drop dead

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by chaos386 View Post
                  Before ATi started their open source initiative, no one had a reason to like them.[/SIZE]
                  That's just the trouble isn't it. Its the only thing they have going for them. Still.

                  Nvidia on the other hand seems to only have one thing against them. The evil closed blob.

                  So what it comes down to is you do this balancing act between what's philosophically better for you vs something that, imo, is more tangible such as functionality and features.

                  Just about every Linux ATI vs NV flame war I've ever seen comes down to

                  Nathan: Mine works.
                  Jack: Mine's open.

                  Jack argues his point to no end even though he uses fglrx. Nathan alt+tabs out of his game (running thanks to Wine) to laugh at Jack.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
                    That's just the trouble isn't it. Its the only thing they have going for them. Still.

                    Nvidia on the other hand seems to only have one thing against them. The evil closed blob.

                    So what it comes down to is you do this balancing act between what's philosophically better for you vs something that, imo, is more tangible such as functionality and features.

                    Just about every Linux ATI vs NV flame war I've ever seen comes down to

                    Nathan: Mine works.
                    Jack: Mine's open.

                    Jack argues his point to no end even though he uses fglrx. Nathan alt+tabs out of his game (running thanks to Wine) to laugh at Jack.
                    Nice story man.

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                    • #25
                      As of Catalyst 9.3, fglrx delivers excellent OpenGL performance (I actually get measure better FPS on Linux than on Vista, way to go!)

                      As workstation cards, Ati on Linux is very competitive both hardware- and performance-wise. As consumer cards (I want Compiz & Wine, wee!) they are not up to par yet. As far as openness is concerned, Ati fares much better than Nvidia.

                      In other words, pick the card that performs best to your needs.

                      Point in case: my father's PC (internet, Compiz & videos) uses a fanless Nvidia 7600GS. My fallback box (internet, Compiz & videos) has an Ati X1950 running on the open drivers. My main box (3d programming and modeling) sports an Ati 4850.

                      All three work just fine.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                        As of Catalyst 9.3, fglrx delivers excellent OpenGL performance (I actually get measure better FPS on Linux than on Vista, way to go!)
                        Don't forget to mention that XV still crashes when you go to fullscreen, you get odd video effects with XV and composite, and occasionally X won't start.

                        <Sarcasm>
                        But when it does, man, that framerate is great. It really makes that 1 out of 20 times that things work with fglrx just so worth it.
                        </Sarcasm>

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                          As of Catalyst 9.3, fglrx delivers excellent OpenGL performance (I actually get measure better FPS on Linux than on Vista, way to go!)

                          Measured with? With ATI's recent history of not rendering full scenes again it wouldn't be surprising that the linux binary is actually rendering less. Also what modes were you running in? What were the renderers? Ogl, DX9, DX10? Have you taken screenshots of both screens to compare?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                            Measured with? With ATI's recent history of not rendering full scenes again it wouldn't be surprising that the linux binary is actually rendering less. Also what modes were you running in? What were the renderers? Ogl, DX9, DX10? Have you taken screenshots of both screens to compare?

                            Nexuiz runs identical in Windows XP and Ubuntu. Same for Alien Arena.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Melcar View Post
                              Nexuiz runs identical in Windows XP and Ubuntu. Same for Alien Arena.
                              That's not surprising. Nexiuz isn't exactly a game that pushes systems hard.

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                              • #30
                                Yeah sure.

                                Windows XP:

                                36 61 139

                                Ubuntu 8.10:

                                36 66 181

                                Ultimate preset. Only settings on CCC being forced on both OS' are mipmaps (High) and Catalyst AI (Advanced). Latest end-user drivers.
                                Alien Arena performs identical on both OS' with the same settings. The same goes for Urban Terror and Warsow. Furmark (running under Wine in Ubuntu) gives out the same scores.

                                Fglrx has good 3D performance. No surprise really. Where it sucks is in common desktop situations, specially when you try to accelerate them. Again, no surprise given where the driver comes from. These issues are being worked on. Sure, even I would like all these things fixed as quickly as possible, but given that the codebase is rather "new", the delays are understandable.

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