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  • #16
    After having tested it for some time finally i think there is some improvement on NVS135M. Far from perfect, especially in Twinview which gives quite a hit to the performances.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by killall-9 View Post
      didnt know there was a 180.11 release so i have to switch back to 178 .82 driver.Sometimes nvidia is really slow to update new driver on the homepage!
      One of the reasons I keep Phoronix on RSS

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      • #18
        Seems to have problem with the menu in Compiz + Murrine theme.

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        • #19
          Steer away from NVIDIA IGP 8200 mobos

          Originally posted by matt8 View Post
          I was wondering which of the Nvidia GeForce mGPUs and nForce MCPs are now fully supported (i.e. on all of the north/south bridge functions handled by these chipsets, including video and audio) in Linux.

          In particular, if one buys a motherboard with one of these IGP chipsets:
          A. GeForce 8200 mGPU
          B. GeForce 8300 mGPU
          C. 750a SLI
          how much mileage vs hassle should/could be expected for getting the mobo to work well?
          In my humble opinion and personal experience, I would recommend that you stay away from mobos with the integrated GeForce 8200 chipset (aka MCP78) at this current time of writing because it takes a lot of fiddling to get them working reasonably. And even still, 2D performance takes 100% hit (on a single core). To get the sound working without popping and crackling, you need to use the latest Linux kernel (2.6.27.9) alongside the latest ALSA base 1.0.18. In terms of distros, I've found that "out-of-the-box" Ubuntu 8.10 configures the sound properly but the 2D/3D graphic performance is shocking and sometimes unplayable at times, even when viewing a Youtube vid. In fact the whole system is incredibly sluggish. Using Debian Lenny (still in testing at this time) I've found the system to be very responsive and I would recommend it above Ubuntu 8.10. However, it does not work properly "out-of-the-box" either and requires a little more work for your rewards. Firstly, to configure the sound properly in Lenny you need to update the ALSA base package from the experimental repository to get the ALSA 1.0.18 version. Then, you need to compile a custom kernel 2.6.27.9. In doing this, you must also compile a compatible NVIDA kernel module from the experiment repository source package (nvidia-kernel-source) to match your custom kernel and also install the experimental nvidia-glx package. The version of the experimental NVIDA source package at this time of writing is 177.80-2, so it does not fix the 100% CPU usage problem. But at least the Debian Lenny system is much faster (how Linux should be) and the sound works fine. I hope my verbose answer helps you.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by debian_user View Post
            In my humble opinion and personal experience, I would recommend that you stay away from mobos with the integrated GeForce 8200 chipset (aka MCP78) at this current time of writing because it takes a lot of fiddling to get them working reasonably. And even still, 2D performance takes 100% hit (on a single core). To get the sound working without popping and crackling, you need to use the latest Linux kernel (2.6.27.9) alongside the latest ALSA base 1.0.18. In terms of distros, I've found that "out-of-the-box" Ubuntu 8.10 configures the sound properly but the 2D/3D graphic performance is shocking and sometimes unplayable at times, even when viewing a Youtube vid.
            Flash nailing 1 core is a known flash-plugin bug.

            In fact the whole system is incredibly sluggish. Using Debian Lenny (still in testing at this time) I've found the system to be very responsive and I would recommend it above Ubuntu 8.10. However, it does not work properly "out-of-the-box" either and requires a little more work for your rewards.
            A board like the Asus M3N-HD works perfectly out of the box on opensuse 11.0.

            Firstly, to configure the sound properly in Lenny you need to update the ALSA base package from the experimental repository to get the ALSA 1.0.18 version. Then, you need to compile a custom kernel 2.6.27.9.
            That's all dependent on the dac being used. You do not have to compile a custom kernel either on other distro's. As mentioned boards like the M3N-HD work out of the box in openSUSE which has a 2.6.25 kernel.

            In doing this, you must also compile a compatible NVIDA kernel module from the experiment repository source package (nvidia-kernel-source) to match your custom kernel and also install the experimental nvidia-glx package. The version of the experimental NVIDA source package at this time of writing is 177.80-2, so it does not fix the 100% CPU usage problem. But at least the Debian Lenny system is much faster (how Linux should be) and the sound works fine. I hope my verbose answer helps you.
            Almost all the above issues stem from your choice of distro. Not with linux nor the chipsets. It's typical for debian to be lagging a bit in supporting new hardware.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by debian_user View Post
              In my humble opinion and personal experience, I would recommend that you stay away from mobos with the integrated GeForce 8200 chipset (aka MCP78) at this current time of writing because it takes a lot of fiddling to get them working reasonably. And even still, 2D performance takes 100% hit (on a single core).
              2D performance is good unless you're playing tons of Flash animations, as Deanjo said.

              Disclaimer: I'm running a fairly up-to-date distro, so I don't know how these mobos work on Ubuntu.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by debian_user View Post
                In my humble opinion and personal experience, I would recommend that you stay away from mobos with the integrated GeForce 8200 chipset
                Many thanks for taking the time to post your detailed advice.

                Does this laborious process apply also to GeForce 8300 chipsets? Related question: is it the case that the 750a boards with onboard video come with built-in GF8200 video (and the 780a's with GF 8300 likewise)?

                It turns out that just minutes before I saw your post, I ordered a re-certified MSI DKA790GX Platinum (790GX, ATX, 128MB sideport, etc) after considering these other boards closely (all nicely loaded):
                1. Asus M3A78-T (790GX)
                2. GB xyzGPM-DS2H (mATX 780G w/ sideport)
                3. Asus M3N78-EM (mATX w/ GF 8300)
                4. Jetway HA07-Ultra (790GX currently holding the world record on OCing @ ripping.org)

                The MSI unit was too appealing at a good price (because it was a recert) with good looking heat sinks+pipes (I expect that it'll do a good job w/ heat dissipation, perhaps only matched by the Jetway unit among ALL the sub-$150 780G/790GX boards out there). We'll see how it works out. MSI does seem to (based on the reviews at newegg and elsewhere) have the best quality among the top three (Asus, GB, MSI), as their boards seem to be registering the least number of complaints from buyers about unwanted hassles. Does MSI make all of their boards in Taiwan, or do they outsource parts of production/assembly to other countries?
                Last edited by matt8; 12-15-2008, 02:41 PM.

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                • #23
                  Thought I'd add my 2c.

                  I bought an 8200-based mobo for a MythTV system, and as of driver 177.80, I consider it to be junk.

                  I consider it so for two reasons: first, because the 2d acceleration is so slow I can literally see the GUI draw itself in a nice, old-school top-to-bottom wipe, and second, because using sync to vblank for video drives xorg up to 100% on one CPU core, despite the old "UseEvents" "True" trick, which doesn't help.

                  I'm not trying to be a hater. Nvidia have earned many of my dollars, but the 8200 is just not working right for me. There are several threads on nvnews.net on these issues.

                  I'm not sure whether to go get a $30 8400GS, wait and hope they fix their drivers, or jump ship. I don't want more heat in my little case, though, and I do eventually want to use VDPAU, so...I'm probably stuck with waiting.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by geoffp View Post
                    I bought an 8200-based mobo for a MythTV system, and as of driver 177.80, I consider it to be junk.
                    Why not try the 180.16 driver then?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                      Flash nailing 1 core is a known flash-plugin bug.

                      A board like the Asus M3N-HD works perfectly out of the box on opensuse 11.0.



                      That's all dependent on the dac being used. You do not have to compile a custom kernel either on other distro's. As mentioned boards like the M3N-HD work out of the box in openSUSE which has a 2.6.25 kernel.


                      Almost all the above issues stem from your choice of distro. Not with linux nor the chipsets. It's typical for debian to be lagging a bit in supporting new hardware.

                      Ok, let me qualify - don't go after a MCP78S mobo like Abit A-N7HD with NVIDIA 8200 and Realtek ALC888 DAC. Debian Lenny uses kernel 2.6.26-1 by default - ALC888 problems are well known and the latest kernel has been updated with improvements to the module. I'm now using kernel 2.6.27.9 and sound crackling is fixed. But using NVIDIA 177.82 drivers, 2D performance (I haven't tested 3D) is still shocking. I will wait for updated drivers coming through Debian experimental repository to see improvements. Thanks for alerting me to flash plugin bug. I updated to using the latest version (32 bit). It is reported that Flash is the number one plugin to cause crashes of Firefox browser. News is that a native 64-bit plugin is in alpha development. But still, I feel it is mainly a NVIDIA driver problem for the 8200 GPU, not distro choice or bad Flash plugin code, because my old FX5200 on a 3.5 year old system does a better job. Here's what I'm talking about on my 64-bit AMD Athlon X2 4850e 2.5Ghz dual core SSE3 machine - link to Picassa album photo.
                      Last edited by debian_user; 12-16-2008, 11:41 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by geoffp View Post
                        Thought I'd add my 2c.

                        I bought an 8200-based mobo for a MythTV system, and as of driver 177.80, I consider it to be junk.

                        I consider it so for two reasons: first, because the 2d acceleration is so slow I can literally see the GUI draw itself in a nice, old-school top-to-bottom wipe, and second, because using sync to vblank for video drives xorg up to 100% on one CPU core, despite the old "UseEvents" "True" trick, which doesn't help.

                        I'm not trying to be a hater. Nvidia have earned many of my dollars, but the 8200 is just not working right for me. There are several threads on nvnews.net on these issues.

                        I'm not sure whether to go get a $30 8400GS, wait and hope they fix their drivers, or jump ship. I don't want more heat in my little case, though, and I do eventually want to use VDPAU, so...I'm probably stuck with waiting.
                        You're technically more adept than me and I concur with your sentiments. Is it normal for a GPU to run at 77 degrees Celcius whilst just browsing the internet, granted an ambient temperature of around 25 degrees Celcius?
                        Last edited by debian_user; 12-16-2008, 06:23 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by deneb View Post
                          Why not try the 180.16 driver then?
                          Because I'm squeamish about blowing away Mythbuntu's beautifully clean, package-wrapped driver install with a raw one from the Nvidia installer. I might do it anyway, though. I'd love to try it.



                          Originally posted by debian_user
                          Is it normal for a GPU to run at 77 degrees Celcius whilst just browsing the internet, granted an ambient temperature of around 25 degrees Celcius?
                          You seem adept enough to me.

                          I don't know the specs on this GPU, but I think I would find that alarming. That seems pretty high to me.

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                          • #28
                            How do you like your eggs?

                            Originally posted by geoffp View Post
                            Because I'm squeamish about blowing away Mythbuntu's beautifully clean, package-wrapped driver install with a raw one from the Nvidia installer. I might do it anyway, though. I'd love to try it.





                            You seem adept enough to me.

                            I don't know the specs on this GPU, but I think I would find that alarming. That seems pretty high to me.
                            Well, I was surprised that my mobo didn't find it so alarming as to not sound a beep... here's what I'm talking about - link to Picassa album photo. So do you like your eggs sunnyside up? Because it would be just too messy to flip 'em inside my HTPC case.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by debian_user View Post
                              Well, I was surprised that my mobo didn't find it so alarming as to not sound a beep... here's what I'm talking about - link to Picassa album photo. So do you like your eggs sunnyside up? Because it would be just too messy to flip 'em inside my HTPC case.
                              Something is not right because the threshold should not be at 255c. 140c would be pushing it.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by KohlyKohl View Post
                                Something is not right because the threshold should not be at 255c. 140c would be pushing it.
                                Well, it would almost be a case of China Syndrome if it reached it's Slowdown Threshold. The chip is soldered internally using a composition made of 95% tin and 5% lead. I don't know about the melting point of this alloy, but regular tin melts at 232 Degrees Celcius. So at 255 Degrees this chip is almost sure to dismount from the mobo and melt through your case, perhaps all the way to the manufacturer in Taiwan.

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