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  • #16
    It's very unlikely they will wait to push mir by default into Ubuntu until 16.04 LTS. The wording probably was due to the fact that Canonical heavily pushes users towards sticking to LTS releases, so most users probably are on LTS releases, and since it won't be going into 14.04 the next LTS is 16.04.

    Of course since all the above is obvious its really a non-story and it wouldn't have generated any page views.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by pdffs View Post
      Future breaking news:

      "The Debian TC passed a close vote to make Wayland the new default display server for the [redacted] release. Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will be dropping support of Mir and transitioning to Wayland in version [redacted]."
      First, the two are not incompatible with each other in a stupid mess like Upstart and Systemd are.

      Second, this simply means that it will be default regardless by 16.04 LTS (or however long it takes for a smooth transition). Personally though I would love to try out a stupid unstable version of Ubuntu running Mir and Unity 8 and systemd.

      But Wayland isn't even a compositor... So why would they replace something that works on tablets phones and PCs with a protocol?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Rich Oliver View Post
        I wonder if part of the delay is making Mir Wayland compliant. Which of course they could have done from the first.
        Nah... that would make too much sense. You can trust canonical to shoot themselves in the foot and increase Linux fragmentation again.

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        • #19
          mir/unity is phone/tablet oriented
          we will see mir-powered phones/tablets next year
          who thinks that wayland/gnome is suitable for phones is an idiot
          and anyway in 2016 desktop will be dead

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          • #20
            Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
            First, the two are not incompatible with each other in a stupid mess like Upstart and Systemd are.
            As of now, Mir clients aren't compatible with any Wayland compositors, nor are Wayland clients compatible with Mir. There's no guarantee that any kind of compatibility between the two is ever going to be developed. So how exactly are they "not incompatible" again?

            Second, this simply means that it will be default regardless by 16.04 LTS (or however long it takes for a smooth transition). Personally though I would love to try out a stupid unstable version of Ubuntu running Mir and Unity 8 and systemd.

            But Wayland isn't even a compositor... So why would they replace something that works on tablets phones and PCs with a protocol?
            Your argument makes no sense. It's like saying "why should we replace our RealPlayer with html5 streaming? Html5 is just a protocol"...

            Yes, Wayland is "just a protocol", just like C is "just a programming language" or http is "just a protocol" or Linux is "just a kernel"...

            And? Wayland isn't "just a protocol", it's a protocol that every other major distro and desktop environment is behind, not to mention Intel, Samsung and Jolla. There's a huge benefit in developing a unified graphics stack that everyone can collaborate on and share both the workload and the benefit. That's the main benefit of open source, collaboration.

            Seems to me that Canonical doesn't really understand open source. They're constantly missing out on the main benefits of open source, they think it's just a convenient way to get code developed for their inhouse solutions. In short, they're trying too much to be like Apple, but without having all the money, massive resources for r&d, their own hardware line, etc... And even Apple is fading already, even with their huge resources - so why does Canonical, a small company that can't even afford to release a phone without a crowdsourcing campaign, think they can succeed with the same strategy? It's just plain foolishness with possibly streaks of megalomania.

            Also, while we're talking about something that "works on tablets and phones", Wayland is currently being used in actual phones that are being sold, as in right now. While we still haven't seen even one Mir-based phone that comes with Mir preloaded...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by benalib View Post
              mir/unity is phone/tablet oriented
              we will see mir-powered phones/tablets next year
              who thinks that wayland/gnome is suitable for phones is an idiot
              and anyway in 2016 desktop will be dead
              Wayland-powered phones are being sold right now : http://www.jolla.com/

              We can't say the same for the Mir ones yet.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by benalib View Post
                mir/unity is phone/tablet oriented
                we will see mir-powered phones/tablets next year
                who thinks that wayland/gnome is suitable for phones is an idiot
                and anyway in 2016 desktop will be dead
                No, just no. Unity also targets the desktop and the desktop certainly isn't dead and won't be soon, even "tower" PCs.

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                • #23
                  Why do you keep comparing Mir to Wayland?

                  Mir = protocol agnostic display server. This means, it can support X11, Wayland, or something else. Is there a Mir protocol?
                  Wayland = protocol

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by lolnope View Post
                    Unity may not be the most functional for a power user
                    Unity is a wonderful shell for power users, or at least keyboard-driven power users. I'm completely hooked on it by now.

                    Originally posted by litfan View Post
                    Look up the world psychopathic. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Idiot.
                    You obviously don't know what I think it means.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dee. View Post
                      Seems to me that Canonical doesn't really understand open source.
                      It's funny that the ones who compare Canonical and Shuttleworth to Apple and Jobs are the same ones who think they are entitled to tell people what is The Right Way to Workę. In open source, people do whatever they feel is right for them, and no one has the right to tell anyone how to do shit. There's no open source bible.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by dee.
                        Seems to me that Canonical doesn't really understand open source. They're constantly missing out on the main benefits of open source, they think it's just a convenient way to get code developed for their inhouse solutions. In short, they're trying too much to be like Apple, but without having all the money, massive resources for r&d, their own hardware line, etc... And even Apple is fading already, even with their huge resources - so why does Canonical, a small company that can't even afford to release a phone without a crowdsourcing campaign, think they can succeed with the same strategy? It's just plain foolishness with possibly streaks of megalomania.
                        Seconded. (Y)

                        Originally posted by nll_a
                        It's funny that the ones who compare Canonical and Shuttleworth to Apple and Jobs are the same ones who think they are entitled to tell people what is The Right Way to Workę. In open source, people do whatever they feel is right for them, and no one has the right to tell anyone how to do shit. There's no open source bible.
                        no

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
                          Seconded. (Y)


                          no
                          Wow, how eloquent those who follow The One True Way« are! Color me impressed!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by nll_a View Post
                            Wow, how eloquent those who follow The One True Way« are! Color me impressed!
                            I do not intend to waste my words and time on obvious relations.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by benalib View Post
                              and anyway in 2016 desktop will be dead
                              Very unlikely. That's like saying, "by 2016 refrigerators will be dead."

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                              • #30
                                When Canonical saw Wayland taking long time they thought they can do better. Are they starting to realize now that it's not an easy job, or they are still thinking they can do better than the Wayland camp?
                                Wayland on the mobile is already in the market (Jolla), and on the desktop it's already in preview. By the time 16.04 is released Wayland will probably be a reality already. Canonical has clearly taken the wrong path and they need to correct it soon instead of throwing their money down the drain.

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