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    Phoronix: Mir Is Still Overwhelmingly A Canonical-Only Affair

    While Wayland 1.4 is set to be released next month with many new features and has seen contributors from many different companies, the Mir Display Server for Ubuntu continues to be developed exclusively by Canonical...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU1MjY

  • #2
    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: Mir Is Still Overwhelmingly A Canonical-Only Affair

    While Wayland 1.4 is set to be released next month with many new features and has seen contributors from many different companies, the Mir Display Server for Ubuntu continues to be developed exclusively by Canonical...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU1MjY
    Not one bit amazed.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by phoronix View Post
      the Mir Display Server for Ubuntu continues to be developed exclusively by Canonical
      Developed and used exclusively by Canonical. In other words - nobody cares.

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      • #4
        How can one even be overwhelmed by how Canonical-only any affair is? Seriously, it's almost ridiculous how he uses rhetoric to point out how bad they are. Who are the target audience? Fans will be pissed and all others will not care.

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        • #5
          Why would nobody care about MIR? Ubuntu is still one of the most used distro out there.

          The MIR branch stinks, but it does matter because its what a lot of linux (ubuntu) users are going to use.

          Sadly enough Ubuntu is my distro of choice to, although I'm eying debian as an suitable replacement when MIR gets mainlined in ubuntu.
          Last edited by tmpdir; 12-25-2013, 08:20 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tmpdir View Post
            Why would nobody care about MIR? Ubuntu is still one of the most used distro out there.

            The MIR branch stinks, but it does matter because its what a lot of linux (ubuntu) users are going to use.

            Sadly enough Ubuntu is my distro of choice to, although I'm eying debian as an suitable replacement when MIR gets mainlined in ubuntu.
            Lol. Just lol...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
              Lol. Just lol...
              Not constructive... just not constructive at all...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tmpdir View Post
                Why would nobody care about MIR? Ubuntu is still one of the most used distro out there.
                Please back this up with a credible reference, detailing how many installations of Ubuntu with Unity as primary DE exist (derivatives like Mint identify via the browser's user agent as Ubuntu but don't have anything to do with Mir).
                I've seen claims about Ubuntu's alleged popularity over and over again but so far none of such claims was ever backed up by facts.
                Last edited by Awesomeness; 12-25-2013, 08:46 AM.

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                • #9
                  To put it simply: if Ubuntu was the only available Linux distribution I would stop using Linux.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                    Please back this up with a credible reference, detailing how many installations of Ubuntu with Unity as primary DE exist (derivatives like Mint identify via the browser's user agent as Ubuntu but don't have anything to do with Mir).
                    I've seen claims about Ubuntu's alleged popularity over and over again but so far none of such claims was ever backed up by facts.
                    Can't tell if serious or not. Unless you've never spoken to normal people who don't visit sites like this, they tend to know the name Ubuntu before the name linux. And if you're too high up on your elitist mountain to notice how far they've gone, then at least do something about it, I'd like you to see you try.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tmpdir View Post
                      Why would nobody care about MIR?.
                      That's not what I said. Only that non Ubuntu users probably won't care and Ubuntu users like me will be irritated by his style of writing. Like it was a big thing that Ubuntu's project is primarily Ubuntu's, and he was currently, after all this time, OVERWHELMED by that fact.

                      Seems like an exaggeration =)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bjotn View Post
                        That's not what I said. Only that non Ubuntu users probably won't care and Ubuntu users like me will be irritated by his style of writing. Like it was a big thing that Ubuntu's project is primarily Ubuntu's, and he was currently, after all this time, OVERWHELMED by that fact.

                        Seems like an exaggeration =)
                        Easy, Phoronix is a tabloid for tech savvy Linux users, which means that it works on same rules as tabloids and other bullshit media. What you see in his post here is "fueling hatred" for Ubuntu, cause atm among elitist Linux users hating Ubuntu is trendy.

                        Thing is, why people care about MIR and Ubuntu if they don't use it? They could just focus on Wayland and let Canonical do their thing. I'll tell you why. It's because non-buntu developers (and companies backing them up - like Intel or Redhat) are scared of Canonical success, they feel like if Ubuntu becomes a mainstream thing on desktop and mobile, they will be left behind from this fast moving "Linux going mainstream" train.

                        Hating Ubuntu is a thing, but hey, if you look at non-Linux media the only Linux you see is either Ubuntu or recently SteamOS. Mainstream media do not care about Gnome, Redhat, Wayland and other distros - Canonical and Valve are faces of Linux world in world media, deal with it or make better products (from marketing point of view, not technical).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gutigen View Post
                          Easy, Phoronix is a tabloid for tech savvy Linux users, which means that it works on same rules as tabloids and other bullshit media. What you see in his post here is "fueling hatred" for Ubuntu, cause atm among elitist Linux users hating Ubuntu is trendy.

                          Thing is, why people care about MIR and Ubuntu if they don't use it? They could just focus on Wayland and let Canonical do their thing. I'll tell you why. It's because non-buntu developers (and companies backing them up - like Intel or Redhat) are scared of Canonical success, they feel like if Ubuntu becomes a mainstream thing on desktop and mobile, they will be left behind from this fast moving "Linux going mainstream" train.

                          Hating Ubuntu is a thing, but hey, if you look at non-Linux media the only Linux you see is either Ubuntu or recently SteamOS. Mainstream media do not care about Gnome, Redhat, Wayland and other distros - Canonical and Valve are faces of Linux world in world media, deal with it or make better products (from marketing point of view, not technical).
                          I agree with you highly on the 1st and 3rd points, but the 2nd point is where I'm a little puzzled. Canonical is still a very small company compared to RedHat and Intel. Their success probably won't change much unless Jolla's Sailfish phone is changing some numbers as we speak. Linux itself has been mainstream to servers at least, so RedHat, Intel, anybody really shouldn't have anything to fear, even though Canonical is going in strong and while their first hardware partner is unknown, the fact that they have a partner is somewhat threatening... but FFOS and Tizen already have more than enough partners, right? And Tizen is backed by Intel too! What exactly justifies their fears when there shouldn't be any in the first place?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
                            Can't tell if serious or not. Unless you've never spoken to normal people who don't visit sites like this, they tend to know the name Ubuntu before the name linux. And if you're too high up on your elitist mountain to notice how far they've gone, then at least do something about it, I'd like you to see you try.
                            True, but count how many of them actually use it, and then try to make a comparison. Most people I know that actually tried Ubuntu know how to code (they are not programmers, but they do know the basics), for a start. Only one friend comes to mind that never go interested in programming, but she uses Kubuntu, and is kind of a free software zealot, so she'd probably be pissed off when she finds about Mir. Also, she does know MatLab/Octave, so I can't even say she doesn't grasp any programming knowledge.
                            My point, users are mostly as geek as we are, and as marginal as we (Phoronix users, as for distro, I use Xubuntu) are. Knowing about Ubuntu existence and using it are different things.

                            Personally, my numbers favor Ubuntu, but both mine and yours seem to be highly subjective, as being mediatic (or being in one's environment, in my case) and being used are different things.

                            Originally posted by tmpdir View Post
                            Why would nobody care about MIR? Ubuntu is still one of the most used distro out there.

                            The MIR branch stinks, but it does matter because its what a lot of linux (ubuntu) users are going to use.

                            Sadly enough Ubuntu is my distro of choice to, although I'm eying debian as an suitable replacement when MIR gets mainlined in ubuntu.
                            Still, it doesn't fits anyone else needs, it doesn't aim to fit them, AND they have to give the sole right to relicense the code base to Canonical, so why would anyone else bother programming it? People coding for free is not likely to put effort in developing something that doesn't fit them, and people being paid to code, well, will be paid by companies interested in the project, which is and will be only Canonical, as they don't try to fit anyone else's needs. It shouldn't surprise nor overwhelm anyone, and I think Canonical understood from moment zero they weren't going to have many outsider contributors, and took that into acount, so Phoronix should quit being surprised by that fact.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gutigen View Post
                              Thing is, why people care about MIR and Ubuntu if they don't use it? They could just focus on Wayland and let Canonical do their thing. I'll tell you why. It's because non-buntu developers (and companies backing them up - like Intel or Redhat) are scared of Canonical success, they feel like if Ubuntu becomes a mainstream thing on desktop and mobile, they will be left behind from this fast moving "Linux going mainstream" train.
                              Could be that. Or it could be the unpleasant backstabbing they got from Canonical when Mir was announced.

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