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    Phoronix: KDE Developers Continue To Be Frustrated With Canonical

    Following Mark Shuttleworth's critical comments about those opposed to Mir and his statements being challenged, multiple KDE developers in particular have been expressing their outrage...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTUwMTQ

  • #2
    Canonical is ruining things for FOSS with shenanigans like this

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
      Canonical is ruining things for FOSS with shenanigans like this
      Sure, but the fun flame-wars while eating another bag of popcorn kinda compensate the damage.

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      • #4
        Just leave Cannonical in peace...(kde and red hat) the post of martin is so gay XD
        Last edited by felipe; 11-01-2013, 09:14 PM.

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        • #5
          lol the post of felipe is so gay XD

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          • #6
            There will be no debate

            There will be no debate, because an ongoing flame war will just shed bad light on everyone involved.

            Especially Mark Shuttleworth who is likely to just be wrong and twist words to suit his agenda.
            Mark Shuttleworth does a poor attempt to be a PR machine and he often spit incorrect stuff and try twist stuff and hype stuff stuff to try to hype Ubuntu but often ends up just pissing people and saying stupid shit.

            Some years ago, Canonical was a commercial backer of Ubuntu and part of the community.
            These days, its like Canonical isn't even part of the community, they just run things in whatever way the see fit with disregard for the community and the developers.

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            • #7
              So the KDE/Wayland/redhat/insert competitor's name here, have hurt feelings about a post MS wrote weeks ago...
              Yawn.

              Don't they have anything better to do. Have they not seen the way google/apple/microsoft compete... Get over it. After all the silly paranoid accusations that have been leveled at Canonical in recent months, I was surprised by the mildness remarks of MS.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                There will be no debate, because an ongoing flame war will just shed bad light on everyone involved.

                Especially Mark Shuttleworth who is likely to just be wrong and twist words to suit his agenda.
                Mark Shuttleworth does a poor attempt to be a PR machine and he often spit incorrect stuff and try twist stuff and hype stuff stuff to try to hype Ubuntu but often ends up just pissing people and saying stupid shit.

                Some years ago, Canonical was a commercial backer of Ubuntu and part of the community.
                These days, its like Canonical isn't even part of the community, they just run things in whatever way the see fit with disregard for the community and the developers.
                Reluctantly, I have to agree. Probably nothing would be accomplished by the debate.

                I used to be an enthusiastic Ubuntu user, but I've moved back to Debian and will mostly likely stay with it. Ubuntu really could have been a partner to Debian and helped push Linux development forward, but now (especially with Mir) they are fragmenting our community and probably doing more harm than good.

                I continually hope that Mark Shuttleworth will change course and cooperate more with developers who are not fixated on Unity and Mir, but I can't say that I'm optimistic.

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                • #9
                  You can't tell me the KDE or Opponents of Mir aren't being their own stronghold. It's clear they have taken up Wayland, not neutral ground.

                  I personally think Mir will be the better outcome for the User who wants device functionality, but Wayland will probably be better for open community principles even though Canonical is open too. I hope both Wayland and Mir work on all distros in future and the arguments can stop.
                  Last edited by e8hffff; 11-01-2013, 10:24 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by felipe View Post
                    Just leave Cannonical in peace...(kde and red hat) the post of martin is so gay XD
                    His rant come across like a German Tourist talking unfamiliar English. It was rounded in translations. Read between the lines.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by allenmaher View Post
                      So the KDE/Wayland/redhat/insert competitor's name here, have hurt feelings about a post MS wrote weeks ago...
                      Yawn.

                      Don't they have anything better to do. Have they not seen the way google/apple/microsoft compete... Get over it. After all the silly paranoid accusations that have been leveled at Canonical in recent months, I was surprised by the mildness remarks of MS.
                      Yeah what's ridiculous about this is if you read the blog posts by Aaron or Martin you see that they feel insulted, offended, and attacked on a personal level. Martin even goes as far as to say that Mark's post can only be targeting the KDE community in particular, which is not what I got out of it at all. It's amazing how much is taken personally in the FOSS community. The biggest downside imo is how much this kind of stuff can affect users who depend on the software. As a user I am concerned whenever these flamefests start that somehow the quality of the distro/DE that I like will be affected by a personal grudge.

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                      • #12
                        just to show what agenda there is: https://plus.google.com/115606635748...ts/WGv9BEL9gMS

                        4 days ago while he claimes to: ..." used this week to reflect what happened 14 days ago and also the last half year in general and what I can do about it to not be affected like that."


                        ragequit of a dramaqueen playing the innocent lamb while provoking.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by k1l_ View Post
                          just to show what agenda there is: https://plus.google.com/115606635748...ts/WGv9BEL9gMS

                          4 days ago while he claimes to: ..." used this week to reflect what happened 14 days ago and also the last half year in general and what I can do about it to not be affected like that."


                          ragequit of a dramaqueen playing the innocent lamb while provoking.
                          Be careful not to point out his follies. He might just delete your post.

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                          • #14
                            I feel like this is already settled. From now on Unity and Mir go together. Other DEs use Wayland like they always planned to. Ubuntu won't have any non-unity versions anymore unless someone wants to maintain Wayland for Ubuntu.

                            Canonical decided they make phones now. For whatever reason they decided Wayland wouldn't work for phones or wouldn't be ready on time or they could just do things 10x better. Doesn't matter what the reason was or whether they were right. They thought they were right so they made the call and now it's done.

                            From the start Canonical said that Mir and Unity would be developed together, and Mir wouldn't provide a stable spec for other DEs to use. That says, loud and clear, that other DE's shouldn't bother porting to Mir. Sucks but most of them don't want to anyway. And folks using Ubuntu-based distros will probably have to move, but we've got some good options. Debian, Fedora, CentOS, whatever. Hell Mint made a Debian version apparently just for fun and it works fine. The toolkit makers have more cause to grumble, because Mark has made some demands of them. But if supporting Mir is too much burden then I guess they can demand Mark do the porting himself.

                            And also Mark said some rude stuff, and other people said some rude stuff, on both sides, maybe one side more than the other. That's worth exactly nothing. People are arrogant, people are rude sometimes, it's not worth stressing over.

                            If Mir's shitty enough then they'll probably migrate Ubuntu to Wayland eventually. Maybe we could hope for that, but by the time it happened Ubuntu phone would have failed, and a lot of users would have abandoned Ubuntu desktop, and they might just shut down entirely. So I won't hope for that. If Ubuntu phone is successful it'll be more or less the most open phone around, next to Firefox and Jolla phones. And device manufacturers will support it with appropriate drivers because that's how they earn their bread.

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                            • #15
                              Martin Grlin:

                              AAs one might know I consider Phoronix benchmarks as absolutely useless. This graph nicely highlights it. All the tested Desktop Environments have exactly the same frame rate. Which means that the assumption that the desktop has any relevance on the framerate doesn't hold.

                              Obviously the limiting factor has to be something else and thus the complete test set is useless. The limiting factor is present in all the tests and we don't know what it is and how it interplays with the test sets.

                              But still people will now use this benchmark set to claim that KDE Plasma is slower. And if you show those people this post they will say that I'm now in the "denying" stage of benchmark acceptance. The option that benchmarks are done incorrectly doesn't exist in that world.
                              This drama queen can't get his head out of his ass long enough to realize that statistically insignifigant results are still results. Any sane person would see that there is an issue with the results and not result to deriding the Phoronix work. So, of course he wants more drama by picking a fight with Mark S.

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