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  • #46
    Okay, isn't it moronic to turn the TEA party into an insult? Seriously have the TEA party and their ideas have been in power recently? I would have thought that big government guys and keynesians were all to blame. But well ... I guess it is not a surprise that so many people are brainwashed by the mainstream media.

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    • #47
      Apparently the guy took quite an uneducated swipe at the Tea Party. I didn't get to see the original comments because he wisely removed them... but what is with people who get upset over "name calling" and being "insulted" and then go on to essentially call the Tea Party a bunch of assholes? Is the inherent hypocrisy so deep that it's not even perceptible to the individual?

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      • #48
        Why is people bitching about Canonical's CLA?

        Qt has the same contribution agreement. All rights belong to Digia. Qt started being a close library and ended with an opensource, free counterpart but still had a closed version for projects or companies willing to pay for it.

        Qt being better than GTK+ and also free software, I think that CLA madness is stupid. The same happens with Canonical's CLA. Huh, the code is GPLv3, what's the problem?

        I don't see Canonical going the Apple way. They're supporting standards and all of their development is open. Sure, there was that bazaar discussion and currently Landscape is closed source software. I think Launchpad was also closed at the beginning, but they opened it and launchpad helped to build a great infraestructure of repositories and free software projects.

        Maybe they are not top contributors of the Linux kernel but I don't think it's a must and I don't see them doing things and keeping that for them secretly.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Filiprino View Post
          Maybe they are not top contributors of the Linux kernel but I don't think it's a must and I don't see them doing things and keeping that for them secretly.
          A lot of people contribute to the kernel, just not Canonical/Ubuntu. Canonical takes from others and mashes it into Ubuntu, then doesn't contribute anything back.

          Hell, Microsoft contributes more to the kernel than Canonical ever has and Microsoft only contributes Hyper-V support.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by synaptix View Post
            A lot of people contribute to the kernel, just not Canonical/Ubuntu. Canonical takes from others and mashes it into Ubuntu, then doesn't contribute anything back.

            Hell, Microsoft contributes more to the kernel than Canonical ever has and Microsoft only contributes Hyper-V support.
            That's no longer true: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09...l_report_2013/

            It was a one time event related to their Hyper-V support. If Canonical had anything to add to the linux kernel in order to get their distro up and running with Linux, they would too.

            Upstart was a good contribution from Canonical, although not a Linux component. There are also some kernel patches related to radeon modules.

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            • #51
              That's a load of crap, nonsense

              Originally posted by synaptix View Post
              A lot of people contribute to the kernel, just not Canonical/Ubuntu. Canonical takes from others and mashes it into Ubuntu, then doesn't contribute anything back.

              Hell, Microsoft contributes more to the kernel than Canonical ever has and Microsoft only contributes Hyper-V support.
              Yeah right like Canonical doesn't have Linux kernel dedicated developers which going by the recent report contributed 548 patches.

              http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-contributors/

              Canonical contributed 548 changes in the period studied in today's report and would have cracked the top 30 if the foundation hadn't included "none" and "unknown" in the rankings. The maker of Ubuntu has been criticized for years for not contributing more to the kernel (and recently clashed with Intel over patches submitted to the company's graphics driver), but Zemlin isn't upset. "I am not at all mad at them. I think they do good work," he said. "You just kind of choose what's important to your org and where you can add the most value to the project and how it intersects with your business. They choose to focus a lot of their time and energy at higher levels of the software stack."
              Besides Microsoft contributed only in one period of time and only for their purposes (Hyper-V).

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              • #52
                Ignore Shuttleworth

                Mark Shuttleworth has no credibility.
                He will say whatever to hype up things and justify whatever it is hes doing.

                I don't trust the guy.

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                • #53
                  Am I in an alternate reality?

                  Because often in sites it see articles being extremely biased or plain stupid, but on this site, the articles are always a good read but in the comments we have people arguing over free software. It's like arguing at the food bank over the selection of food. IT'S FREE.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
                    Because often in sites it see articles being extremely biased or plain stupid, but on this site, the articles are always a good read but in the comments we have people arguing over free software. It's like arguing at the food bank over the selection of food. IT'S FREE.
                    It's free. Maybe that's why it's not so good.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ninez View Post
                      smspillaz (Compiz-dev, ex-canonical employee) Also wrote a blog article on Mark's comments / this situation.

                      http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2013/...airs/#comments
                      While this guy does have a point, it is foolish to assume that some things exist purely apolitically, and those that insist on creating such distinctions often promote the apathy that is destroying the planet.

                      That said, a lot of the people arguing here are not really engaging in a proper political debate or are representative of a project as a whole. I know i'm not.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                        While this guy does have a point, it is foolish to assume that some things exist purely apolitically, and those that insist on creating such distinctions often promote the apathy that is destroying the planet.

                        That said, a lot of the people arguing here are not really engaging in a proper political debate or are representative of a project as a whole. I know i'm not.
                        I think Shuttleworth's comment was largely aimed at Intel's "The Management" and its quip about "not endorsing [Canonical's] decisions". It was kind of a political move, but that's how the world works.

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                        • #57
                          Ubuntu has real support from Valve's Steam application.

                          The ultimate deciding vote is the hardware manufactures:
                          http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTQ0NzA

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by squirrl View Post
                            Ubuntu has real support from Valve's Steam application.

                            The ultimate deciding vote is the hardware manufactures:
                            http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTQ0NzA
                            Looks like NVIDIA is going with a generic EGL driver and not taking sides.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View Post
                              I object to the old school way of thinking in the linux desktop comunity. It has not worked very well: too much teenager politics.
                              This statement contradicts itself. Is it old school or teenager?

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                              • #60
                                And again...Shuttleworth is writing a bold blog post and Mr. Meta Discussion Seigo feels insulted by it.
                                Nobody cares what Mark writes, it's just a little P.R. for Mir, which is not final yet.
                                But why must everyone, especially the KDE devs, crawl out from under their rock and state their opinion.
                                It's again such a nonsense discussion.
                                And before Seigo et al. crawl out of their cave to prove something, they should get their own shit together.
                                Just look at the Vivaldi tablet and Plasma Active...Where is it ?
                                And KDE could need more love too, it has some real flaws since years.
                                But no, they have to discuss over and over again and care for Ubuntu and Canonical's products.

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