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  • #31
    Originally posted by synaptix View Post
    Anyone remember Marks little comment here:
    http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
    hey they submited like 2 lines of code to Xwayland LOL

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    • #32
      smspillaz (Compiz-dev, ex-canonical employee) Also wrote a blog article on Mark's comments / this situation.

      http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2013/...airs/#comments

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      • #33
        Originally posted by carewolf View Post
        I love how "Tea Party" has quickly become one of the greatest insults available.
        You mean it isn't?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Honton View Post
          You are confused. CLA was one of the reasons MIR why MIR could not get supported on Kwin. Go read about it so you wont look this uneducated.
          or a single distribution solution?

          http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blo...ir-in-kubuntu/

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          • #35
            FOSS would be nothing without the drama.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
              FOSS would be nothing without the drama.
              i think its time to work on a new project other them ubuntu Tanglu linux looks really good they really just need man power
              http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...eeds-your-Help

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              • #37
                Not really " Linux users" but rather "Linux desktop developers"

                And Aaron Siego is calling Shuttleworth for a public debate on why Mir is not a good idea for Canonical . That makes no sense to begin with.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
                  This is not about CLA at all, so STFU and try to troll somewhere else, maybe you can find a place where people are stupid enough to believe your bullshit.
                  In reality, that was one of the points that Aaron made against any of canonical projects: because there is a CLA. So there you have a double standard. Let alone his rationalizations about this. Aaron is just serving as a yet another polarizing agent. This is a no-go.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Honton View Post
                    Too bad they don't give Qt CLA the same treatment. Double standards
                    But that is cross platform, like really cross platform and isn't there a clause that if it gets closed digia has to dump the code to the open source community so they can develop it from there? To me its cross platform effort is like a check and balance against the closed source OS's and the clause is a check and balance against digia and the CLA part is some sort of check and balance against any dev that would try to take it and wall it off or something like that. I'm not a dev so I don't understand these things fully but checks and balances are good IMO.

                    --

                    My reply to Mark is;
                    I'm just a consumer. I own 2 pc's and I'm a fan of the Nokia dev's that got put out of Nokia so I've owned lots of Nokia phones/tablets. When I heard you took one of the Sailfish dev's libhybris and didn't give him any kind of advanced warning and made this thing called mir instead of contributing to Wayland that pretty much nailed it for me that I won't be using Ubuntu as soon as mir gets added to it. Right now I'm using Kubuntu 13.10 on one laptop and the desktop has Mex distro which is Ubuntu 12.10 with my choice of various DE's (but it's dead due to a hw issue). I've tried various DE's. Cinnamon was no frills and fast, KDE was flexible and not too slow and Unity was just Apple like and I kept hearing on various forums that it slows games down so I did not really like it much.

                    Nobody is stopping Mir, they are just objecting to it for their own development projects. I object to it because it seems like you are trying to go the Apple route. I think you might be one of those people that will say anything (even the opposite of reality) in order to stay or be a 1%er. People that abuse capitalism are pretty much a major cause of problems in this country. The haves and have nots dichotomy with huge giant differences in assets and revenue is not sustainable over the long run. More sustainable would be the haves and the haves some.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                      That is supposed to mean "I do not care what distro does what". Why should Ubuntu care about what Martin does then? I hope the don't care , even more when Kwin is the most resource hungry window manager in the planet.

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                      • #41
                        I'd watch the crap out of this debate. LIVE! Yes, popcorn will be included. I hope Mark responds, but let's make it a point of shutting the hell up after the debate. People asking questions can be linked to the video of it in the future, and make their own decisions.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by aironeous View Post
                          But that is cross platform, like really cross platform and isn't there a clause that if it gets closed digia has to dump the code to the open source community so they can develop it from there? To me its cross platform effort is like a check and balance against the closed source OS's and the clause is a check and balance against digia and the CLA part is some sort of check and balance against any dev that would try to take it and wall it off or something like that. I'm not a dev so I don't understand these things fully but checks and balances are good IMO.

                          --

                          My reply to Mark is;
                          I'm just a consumer. I own 2 pc's and I'm a fan of the Nokia dev's that got put out of Nokia so I've owned lots of Nokia phones/tablets. When I heard you took one of the Sailfish dev's libhybris and didn't give him any kind of advanced warning and made this thing called mir instead of contributing to Wayland that pretty much nailed it for me that I won't be using Ubuntu as soon as mir gets added to it. Right now I'm using Kubuntu 13.10 on one laptop and the desktop has Mex distro which is Ubuntu 12.10 with my choice of various DE's (but it's dead due to a hw issue). I've tried various DE's. Cinnamon was no frills and fast, KDE was flexible and not too slow and Unity was just Apple like and I kept hearing on various forums that it slows games down so I did not really like it much.

                          Nobody is stopping Mir, they are just objecting to it for their own development projects. I object to it because it seems like you are trying to go the Apple route. I think you might be one of those people that will say anything (even the opposite of reality) in order to stay or be a 1%er. People that abuse capitalism are pretty much a major cause of problems in this country. The haves and have nots dichotomy with huge giant differences in assets and revenue is not sustainable over the long run. More sustainable would be the haves and the haves some.
                          I object the old school way of thinking in the linux desktop comunity. It has not worked very well: too much teenager politics.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Honton View Post
                            I can easily tell you what the Free Qt agreement does and does not.
                            And I have to ask you again why you think that your opinion on the Free Qt agreement has any validity or even authority, since you have admitted not to be a lawyer. Again, troll somewhere else, no one on Phoronix cares about your bullshit.

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                            • #44
                              [Mark said] they suffer from the "Not Invented Here" syndrome...

                              Well, look who is talking. To my memory Wayland was here waaaaay before MIR, same for upstart (I am sure you could have adapted one of the tons of other init daemons that are out there) - and btw, dont compare it to systemd, that thing has (afaik) a completely different concept to the other init daemons (because it is not an init daemon but a system manager).

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by djdoo View Post
                                Pop corn should be included in the Phoronix Premium accounts now Michael!
                                Seconded!

                                But I guess it could actually be interesting and maybe shed some light on Canonical's intentions. Not that I'd use their software but they still have big fellowship of users.
                                I had used it to set up other people's computers back in the days before any new surfaces, shopping lenses or mir projects were probably even thought of. But there are numerous other distributions doing a fine job at being precompiled and quick to install: SuSE, Mageia, RH based ones, other DEB-based ones, ...
                                And god bless Gentoo.

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