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  • #16
    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
    This is what I don't get. If Mir needs extra time and they really want it in for the LTS, why not simply push back the date and have 14.06 or something?
    Mir is planned for 14.10, not 14.04, 14.04 is planned to have XMir+Unity 7.

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    • #17
      Mir on the tablet may yet beat FC20 for the desktop

      Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post
      This is amazing. Now Ubuntu won't enjoy any headstart, and Fedora 20 with the Wayland Technical Preview will become the first next-gen Linux display system to reach GA.
      https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/mi...er/000404.html
      This is an attempt to ship an UbuntuTouch 10" tablet; needs 1300 sales in
      the next two weeks if they want to meet their crowdfunding goal and ship.

      $250 for 10" quadcore triple-boot tablet with ubuntuTouch is the goal.
      Earlier in 2013, came out with A10-based 7" and 10" tabs for $110 and $175
      usbOtg, wifi, bootable sdcard, and all the usual floss-friendly stuff
      +$20 for a keyb-slash-case that turns the machine into a netbook. Nice.
      Both of the earlier models are now 'out of stock' and the new model will
      not ship unless their indieGoGo crowdfunding scheme works out (below)
      Neal Peacock, Orlando FL, is the main hacker on the project it seems
      He posted some debugging questions on the xmir-devel list (got answered)

      http://igg.me/at/pengpod -- they are currently at 31k of 349k , with 17
      days remaining in the fundraiser ... started 21 days ago. Not much hope.
      The fundpage says 'in partnership with StartUpAmerica' at the bottom.
      They currently have 112 people aka ~$280 per head, but there are a few
      units left for the $220 price, and a large number for $250 each target.
      Excess avg cost is spent on covering intl s&h, opt bt pack, et cetera.
      The manufacturer was in business back in 2003, allegedly, see FAQ.
      Besides the main dev, there is a marketroid and an operations guy.

      If successful, the new tablet would have been Allwinner A31 quadcore ARM_A7,
      ships with android 4.1 and Linaro 13.04 on internal 16gb storage dualboot,
      can install ubuntuTouch on microSD if you wish, microUsbOtg + hdmi, 2gb
      ram, ips 2048x1536 multitouch, wifi bgn + bt, 7000 mAh, 2mpix + 0.3mpix,
      Power VR SGX 544 gpu supports OpenGL_ES2.0 + DX9.3 + OpenCL1.x + H.264
      Android fully works with play.google.com -- expect Android 4.2 support RSN.
      Linaro includes LibreOffice, GIMP, LAMP stack. Besides built-in Linaro,
      known to boot with UbuntuTouch, Fedora, Arch, OpenSUSE, maybe more with
      enough funding -- specifically mentions wanting to support Debian, Bodhhi,
      Tizen, Cyanogenmod, FirefoxOS, Mer+NemoMobile (not Jolla?), Chromium,
      and PlasmaActive. All source for the android build, as well as the Linaro
      build, is fully available (no binary-blob software drivers outside the
      not-quite-libre-kernel presumably?... not sure if there are any huge blobs
      of firmware inside the A31 or the PowerVR gpu however).

      http://www.pengpod.com/ , or you can see the spam-release over here --
      http://www.onlineprnews.com/news/423...ntu-touch.html

      http://www.notebookcheck.net/Compari...rds.130.0.html
      gpu is about the same level of power as the Adreno 305, iGMA3150, GF4 4xx.
      There is a project to create FLOSS 3D-accel drivers for the SGX5xx series,
      started mid-2012-ish, but no ready-to-go drivers yet. Wiki was lastmod
      Feb'13, but list is active -- http://powervr.gnu.org.ve
      http://listas.gnu.org.ve/pipermail/powervr-devel
      So prolly the claim that 'all' the code is available is not fully true.

      p.s. Full disclosure, I had never heard of this guy, this company, this
      product, et cetera... no financial interest for moi, and prolly will not
      be pre-ordering one of these. But thought it was an interesting data
      point that, as the article says, there will no longer be Ubuntu 13.10
      with Mir as the default, but there might well be some UbuntuTouch tablets
      that actually ship. At least one developer-device is known to work, and
      even if this particular device fails to crowdfund, there might be some
      other projects cooking. Ubuntu's big new thing is mobile, so in a way
      I'm not surprised that when push came to shove, they concentrated on the
      tablets and smartphone stuff, and let the desktop play second-fiddle.

      p.p.s. What's really sad to my mind is that Wayland will prolly not be
      part of RHEL7/CentOS7. Can anybody confirm or deny this supposition?

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      • #18
        As long as it's not supported by Nvidia/Amd/Intel it doesn't make sense.

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        • #19
          Even if it's "ready" for 14.04, they'd be stupid to use it in a LTS version for the first time ever. I think they're stuck to waiting until 14.10 now, and hope it will be fully stable by 16.04 LTS.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post
            This is amazing. Now Ubuntu won't enjoy any headstart, and Fedora 20 with the Wayland Technical Preview will become the first next-gen Linux display system to reach GA.
            Yeah, but even if it did there would be pretty much zero interest or advantage for users since XMir isn't Mir, it's X.org running thru Mir. On the other hand the Wayland Technical Preview, while a preview, will run natively on Wayland, which is the whole point.

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            • #21
              Great news, guess I don't have to avoid 13.10 after all.

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              • #22
                Every time I read a story like this I imagine Nelson from the Simpsons coming by to point and laugh at Canonical.

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                • #23
                  They should skip trying do run the entire desktop on top of XMir, compatibility mode should only be used for legacy applications.
                  Pushing everything trough XMir gives no benefit to the end user over just simply running Xorg.

                  And Canonical please make 14.04LTS a decent stable release. I'm tired of running and supporting half baked software for the last three years.

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                  • #24
                    The way Canonical is developping Ubuntu in general and Display in particular is just non-sense.
                    How can you take such a big decision 15 days before the release ? For a component as critical as the display server ???

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Krysto View Post
                      Even if it's "ready" for 14.04, they'd be stupid to use it in a LTS version for the first time ever. I think they're stuck to waiting until 14.10 now, and hope it will be fully stable by 16.04 LTS.
                      I think it would be stupid to use XMir for desktops at all, specially in a LTS.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                        This is what I don't get. If Mir needs extra time and they really want it in for the LTS, why not simply push back the date and have 14.06 or something?
                        Originally posted by F i L View Post
                        ^ this.

                        Seriously, all major consumer linux distros should adapt a rolling or half-rolling release model.
                        No. Companies like System 76 hugely benefits by having a stable release model so they know when
                        then can promote a new OS or how long the current version will be supported.

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                        • #27
                          So after all the chest-thumping and hoof-stamping, Canonical has admitted that they can not pull off a miracle and are going to let Wayland get in the hands of users first? I know Fedora is simply going to be offering a technical preview with 19 and will not ship it by default until Fedora 20 (which will likely be released after Ubuntu 14.04) but considering XMir is basically just an insincere confidence trick, I do not think we need make the big distinction.

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                          • #28
                            X is the wave of the future.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Decatf View Post
                              Sad Trombone
                              You mean this

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                                They stopped caring about desktop market share a while ago. That's why they closed the bug #1 after all.
                                That's pretty brutal.... made me laugh out loud tho .

                                Seriously, RedHat or Intel or maybe the Linux foundation where Linus is currently employed should reopen that bug and keep in existence as an inspiration to all the people who are committed to the future of the Linux desktop, and the future of the next heavyweight winner in all OS categories, server, desktop, mobile, whatever.... (EDIT: current in some, i.e. server, mobile)

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