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  • #16
    lol @ "The Management"

    Intel is pretty much irrelevant in the mobile market anyhow. No loss.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
      It means that if Canonical wants to do Mir, then Canonical needs to hire its own driver developer who will maintain Mir patches to Intel drivers within the Ubuntu repositories.

      I think this is a good thing. Canonical can be free all they want to do what Canonical wants to do. But they need to do all of the extra work as well then. They need to hire an AMD driver developer who will maintain patches within the Ubuntu repositories, they need to hire other developers who will maintain other Ubuntu-specific things as well.

      Consider the other well known walled-gardens out there:
      Google has its own developers for Android who develop and maintain Android-specific things.
      Apple has its own developers for MacOS.

      Canonical wants to have a walled garden but then steal from us. I say BS. If they're a community player, then they need to help the community. But they have virtually never helped out the community in the past with general-use patches. But now! Now they are more than happy to submit patches to this project, that driver group, so that their pet Mir is supported and maintained........ by someone else. That's just wrong.

      Now maybe.... MAYBE if Canonical did in years past make it a policy be heavy contributors all over the place, and then years they come up with Mir and want to have their patches submitted. Well, at least you have been a part of the team.

      But for right now? You didn't put in on this, Canonical. All you do is take take take take take take take take take. And expect everybody else to do the heavy lifting.
      The big thing about Ubuntu though is that anybody can contribute to Linux or Ubuntu, but I can see where you're going with what you're saying. I don't agree however that Canonical has done nothing but "take take take etc". While they haven't contributed code, per sae, they HAVE changed how Linux is looked at, it's for mainstream users to check out and see what they like, so in order for that to happen, they would have to follow their own vision instead of what the community wants, if they did then it would be the same as Linux Mint, it'd be popular with the community, but barely penetrate what actually goes on in the corporate world as well as the mainstream users.

      By changed how Linux is looked at, it's much more than code, it's about the GUI interface, what everybody is familiar with, it's the installation process that helps people out by working with them instead of you doing all of the work (like Arch or Gentoo), Linux hasn't changed anything and Canonical/Ubuntu is trying to change that. Nobody cares about their freedom in the mainstream world, I should know, I'm one of those, but I'm looking in to why privacy matters and stuff like that. To quote Mark, "This isn't a distro for l33t users".

      (Offtopic rant)

      I'm mixed about a lot of things in the open source/technology world, Canonical, Google, Apple, MS, etc. do make questionable decisions, but if it caters to the mainstream, people will just eat it all up. When it comes to catering to the mainstream users (privacy), the privacy or freedom community is either going to fuck with them OR they just say "go back to using Windows 8" or basically say "we don't want you here". Then there's the companies, the ones that give you what you like a lot, but privacy IS a pretty big sacrifice.. but that's pretty much it, they do cater to people who actually need time to work rather than configure.

      When it comes down to it, it's obvious that the freetards just don't really care about the mainstream audience and are closed-minded that seriously need a reality check when it comes to people like myself that care about privacy to an extent, but would like to have some things that are convenient.

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      • #18
        apperently Intel is not impressed by the gigantic Ubuntu marketshare....

        I thought canonical was in discussion with the hardware vendors. If they not had bigger succes with nvidia and AMD the future for the closed driver looks dark for Mir.
        Last edited by Akka; 09-07-2013, 02:24 PM.

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        • #19
          Nice one Intel!

          Would love to have been a fly on the wall when this was decided. I mean, the patch was ready to go and now this. It's like someone, probably junior, set the patch ready for inclusion, then someone more senior cut them off at the knees.

          Whether or not this is the case, the message is loud and clear. Intel are giving Canonical the middle finger with regards to Mir. It's a very public vote of no confidence. It can't be encouraging for Ubuntu fans that the company with the most open graphics driver is doing this.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by johnc View Post
            lol @ "The Management"

            Intel is pretty much irrelevant in the mobile market anyhow. No loss.
            Not as irrelevant as Canonical. Badum-tss.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by xeekei View Post
              Nice trolling attempt, but XMir has nothing to do with CPUs. And for your information, AMD CPUs are a lot more competetive on the GNU/Linux platform.
              How so? A CPU is a CPU.

              AMD CPU's are power hungry & inefficient compared to Intel CPUs.

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              • #22
                People need to remember that XMir support and Mir support are two different things.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by homerhomer View Post
                  I guess Intel doesn't want my money. Only the future can tell on which display server ( Wayland, Mir, X?) will become the default Intel has just told the Ubuntu community, don't buy Intel video hardware.
                  This comment is a good example of the huge negative impact Ubuntu has on the Linux community. Its a comment full of selfishness.
                  There were times Linux people took much care of political correctness, freedom and openness for everybody. In this times the Linux community answered questions like "I cant switch to root as user" with "Use google" - and it was right, it was indeed informative inspiringly to become autonomously and a productive member of the community. This community generated competent people capabale of solving real problems.
                  Nowadays especially the Ubuntu community is - sorry, really, this is no offence to anybody - incompetent, completely ignoring the meaning, importance and functioning of OpenSource. Knowhow steadily vanishes, the claim for bugfree comfort oriented finished plug and play rises.
                  It has to be this way, Ubuntu is a one-way-road just releasing its code after realease not accepting any commits from anybody with its properitary Store/Ubuntu One, with its Mir, Upstart and the possibility to change the licence at any time.

                  I am sure these are not the motives of Intel, but everybody concerned with OpenSource software development/Linux should be happy about each event showing Canonical Ubuntus origins and therefore its social responsibilities. The way Canonical influences the future of "Linux" is worriesome - a split-off a real threat.

                  //Edit: I don't know why everybody hates ATI so much. Sure its drivers are worese than nVidias but i don't have any breaking issues with 13.4 (stable). Betas are crap sure, but they are beta!
                  Last edited by Kemosabe; 09-07-2013, 02:42 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by thomasjs View Post
                    People need to remember that XMir support and Mir support are two different things.
                    And you need to remember that without XMir Mir will run nothing. Do you expect Qt/Gtk to magically run on Mir?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by krofna View Post
                      Do you expect Qt/Gtk to magically run on Mir?
                      Canonical wrote a Mir Qt backend and they have already forked the GTK+ 3 Wayland backend.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by johnc View Post
                        lol @ "The Management"

                        Intel is pretty much irrelevant in the mobile market anyhow. No loss.
                        This has nothing to do with mobile.... Did you even read the article?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by thegeek6 View Post
                          How so? A CPU is a CPU.

                          AMD CPU's are power hungry & inefficient compared to Intel CPUs.
                          AFAIK AMD CPUs tend to excel in highly multithreaded scenarios, while Intel has the crown of performance per core. Linux does a better job with multithreading, reducing Intel's advantage.

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                          • #28
                            Why is there so much hatred on something that doesn't have to be used?

                            Just sayin'.

                            Also, what about the positives that Ubuntu's done over the years? There's way too much FUD going on, which is odd considering how much worse companies like Google, Apple, MS, etc are about regarding the openness about stuff. Sure, Canonical doesn't contribute code or anything, but they HAVE changed the way people look at Linux in general.

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                            • #29
                              This is a giant "f*** you" written with neon letters by Intel, displayed in front of Mark Shuttleworth's house. I think this move is important in itself, since it's the first major manufacturer that takes a coherent stance supporting Wayland and dismissing Mir. Looks like Intel isn't going to support Mir ever, and this leaves AMD and NVIDIA in a comfortable position to reject Mir too.

                              I am happy now. This is great news for every Linux user.

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                              • #30
                                Not a big deal.

                                I don't see why some of you are making a big deal about this. This isn't end of Intel or the end of Mir. Why would Intel need to maintain seperate drivers for XMir to begin with? It's supposed to act like a X.org Server anyway. Unless, Canonical's custom projects get more community or hardware backing they will have to do everything themselves; which isn't really new considering their track record of getting on many upstream projects' nerves.

                                This isn't about Mir but if it was, I'm sure if Wayland can run off Intel's drivers, Mir could do it as well. They both just require a graphics driver that supports EGL, correct?

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