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  • #16
    Originally posted by matzipan View Post
    There aren't that many things that fully support Mir and Wayland at the same time, yet.
    There are several people here who think they are elite hackers, why won't one of YOU port an older game to Mir/Wayland so there CAN be a benchmark. I read that xmbc was ported to Mir and Wayland over a single weekend.... one of you SUPER ELITE HACKERS should be able to do it in hours right?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
      There are several people here who think they are elite hackers, why won't one of YOU port an older game to Mir/Wayland so there CAN be a benchmark. I read that xmbc was ported to Mir and Wayland over a single weekend.... one of you SUPER ELITE HACKERS should be able to do it in hours right?
      I am quite a novice, I am still dreaming of having such knowledge. I am still learning my way though :P

      But, I guess my point is you're not comparing the same thing anymore...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by matzipan View Post
        I am quite a novice, I am still dreaming of having such knowledge. I am still learning my way though :P

        But, I guess my point is you're not comparing the same thing anymore...
        They definitively aren't. As far as my understanding goes, XMir will run exactly like XWayland, in that it will run only applications within Mir itself, but as it is at the moment, its really apples and oranges. Running a whole desktop environment vs running one application is two entirely different things. Once Ubuntu has Unity 8 finished, ie: a DE that actually runs natively in Mir, then we'll get application mode in XMir finished as well.

        I still wish someone with experience in porting would convert some games to be Mir and Wayland supporting so it could be benchmarked. If someone talked to Michael, and ported a game or two he uses, I bet he'd at least credit that person in the Phoronix benchmark suite.

        EDIT: Michael, if you reading this, offer cash prizes for porting games you use to Mir and Wayland. Small prizes $500? But prizes get people motivated.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
          They definitively aren't. As far as my understanding goes, XMir will run exactly like XWayland, in that it will run only applications within Mir itself, but as it is at the moment, its really apples and oranges. Running a whole desktop environment vs running one application is two entirely different things. Once Ubuntu has Unity 8 finished, ie: a DE that actually runs natively in Mir, then we'll get application mode in XMir finished as well.

          I still wish someone with experience in porting would convert some games to be Mir and Wayland supporting so it could be benchmarked. If someone talked to Michael, and ported a game or two he uses, I bet he'd at least credit that person in the Phoronix benchmark suite.

          EDIT: Michael, if you reading this, offer cash prizes for porting games you use to Mir and Wayland. Small prizes $500? But prizes get people motivated.
          There's already glmark2 that works on X, Wayland and Mir.

          But don't expect a huge difference for a 30 fps game : driver performance is much more important than display server.
          Last edited by mannerov; 08-30-2013, 10:53 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
            Michael, if you reading this, offer cash prizes for porting games you use to Mir and Wayland. Small prizes $500? But prizes get people motivated.
            I think that for simplicity, you could offer these small cash prices (let's say a small number of them, like 100?) on your own.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by froyo View Post
              I think that for simplicity, you could offer these small cash prices (let's say a small number of them, like 100?) on your own.
              Lol, no, I don't need games ported for my game/system bench marking tool.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                Lol, no, I don't need games ported for my game/system bench marking tool.
                You really have a sense of humor. My respect! This is not very common over here!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by froyo View Post
                  You really have a sense of humor. My respect! This is not very common over here!
                  First time I haven't seen flame wars starting here.

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                  • #24
                    I don't understand why XMir is still slower for fullscreen games. If compositing is being bypassed, what else is taking a performance slice?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by sarmad View Post
                      I don't understand why XMir is still slower for fullscreen games. If compositing is being bypassed, what else is taking a performance slice?
                      It's the Mir on top of XMir running a DE instead of just Xorg running a DE.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by gufide View Post
                        It's the Mir on top of XMir running a DE instead of just Xorg running a DE.
                        It's amazing what a few nano-seconds here-and-there can do to frame rate. I'm surprised that its not worse.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                          It's amazing what a few nano-seconds here-and-there can do to frame rate. I'm surprised that its not worse.
                          Yeah, at least they did a good job to make it with a good performance. But I still think this is the worst idea they ever did

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                            I'm surprised that its not worse.
                            So... you expected Canonical to do an even worse job than they are doing?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by dee. View Post
                              So... you expected Canonical to do an even worse job than they are doing?
                              how do you get worse then the Xorg server ohh wait..

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                              • #30
                                And the trolls show up, and post within minutes of each other. Something tells me that they are the same person. Pathetic when you need two accounts to make it seem like someone actually agrees with you.

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