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  • #16
    Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
    "After" KDE/Gnome wars haha.

    But like I said, I'm not against Mir, I just prefer Wayland.
    As for the GPU support, it's been said before but both Mir and Wayland use EGL backends (well, I was told that Wayland is backend agnostic, but I assume it's most common use will be EGL) so a GPU driver that supports Mir will work with Wayland (and vice versa) with little to no effort.

    Also, you can't forget that RHEL has decided to support Wayland, and the GPU manufacturers aren't just going to give up their enterprise user-base
    I remember those wars. (Gnome user here) I really don't care about who wins, or both. I'm just glad attention is being paid to better Linux. I personally think that though Wayland might be better in some ways, they will go the way of Betamax while the standard with more connections (VHS/Mir) will be the chosen one in the end.

    I simply can't believe all the hate for this situation. Boeing/Airbus, Ford/Chevy, Intel/AMD, AMD/Nvidia, various pairs all around that help push the progress mark. Considering the meager beginnings of Linux I would have thought people would have simply been happy such effort was being put forth.

    FWIW (Boeing, Chevy, Intel, Nvidia) are my choices. Flame on

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
      Absolutely nothing will run directly on Mir except full-screen OpenGL things like games. All other apps will run through a full-screen XMir "window".
      At least that's what I've seen so far.

      To me it seems like a publicity stunt gone wrong. They are intentionally slowing down their distribution to showcase a product that (A) isn't close to being finished (read: usable) and (B) Isn't even being USED except to pass data to a running X window because of (A).

      Mir is fine and all for them (I am personally on the Wayland side, but I'm not a fanatic about it), but don't INTENTIONALLY f**k up your distro. Seriously people...

      they probably crunched the numbers and saw most users aren't using the opensource drivers, so only a small part of users will be running it.

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      • #18
        just curious, how ubuntuers think RedHat make 1 billion USD profit yearly[growing every year btw] + multibillion USD market net worth?? and if gamers are nVidia focus on linux and ubuntu is the linux for the masses[1% global market at best]how you explain canonical is in technical bankruptcy? i mean mark have a heart attack tomorrow and canonical don't have cash to pay their taxes in the bank.

        money from gamers in linux for nvidia/amd is almost nothing and those that use ubuntu payed and registered the hardware as microsoft income and normally is very cheap hardware with very low profits margin, sure valve will help but so far is in its infancy and nvidia/amd won0t risk their money income in an "Maybe", valve has to provide solid proof and have many AAA+ studios with ported games for either take the risk.

        this can change either side in 1 or 2 years, so stop the delusions and FUD and lets wait which path shareholders take assuming they have to, beside i doubt valve go with either right now until things settle up, they will use X until is safe to move because in real world port engines cost money and valve is not a charity or an kickstarter

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        • #19
          Cool news about mir. I look forward to testing the changes. The NVIDIA AMD binary blob announcement falling between 13.10 and 14.04 is very cool. That plus the SDL support for mir in an earlier thread, is good news for linux gamers (most of whom are on ubuntu according to steam).

          The same tired repeated debate (mir/wayland crap) in the thread can slink off to a corner and die already.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Tgui View Post
            I remember those wars. (Gnome user here) I really don't care about who wins, or both. I'm just glad attention is being paid to better Linux. I personally think that though Wayland might be better in some ways, they will go the way of Betamax while the standard with more connections (VHS/Mir) will be the chosen one in the end.

            I simply can't believe all the hate for this situation. Boeing/Airbus, Ford/Chevy, Intel/AMD, AMD/Nvidia, various pairs all around that help push the progress mark. Considering the meager beginnings of Linux I would have thought people would have simply been happy such effort was being put forth.

            FWIW (Boeing, Chevy, Intel, Nvidia) are my choices. Flame on
            Nobody aside from Canonical will ever choose Mir, because it's developed with Unity in mind. So any "win" of Canonical in that regard is mostly worthless to the rest of the desktop Linux platform, because they're using a different display stack and a different desktop environment. Also, Mir and Wayland aren't exactly direct competitors, either. Wayland is not affected by the Mir developments, they continue trying to get things set up perfectly, just as before. Had Canonical stayed with Wayland, or at least given up on Mir, this whole mess could have been averted.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pandev92 View Post
              mir will win the battle on ubuntu, and wayland on the others distributions..amd drivers continue to run slow on linux than windows, for me the only option for playing is windows, and linux for other 2d taks..., I don't need more shit closed drivers by amd, no mir and no steam on linux for me.
              How come I get a few more FPS in games on Linux than on Windows then?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                I still don't get it.
                News is Mir lands in 13.10 but then I only hear about the phone version actually working.
                Still if desktop Mir is enabled in 13.10 will the Gnome apps work directly on Mir? If thru Xmir then there's little to no value using Mir.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%2...29#Development

                Looking stuff up on Wikipedia is really not that hard.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by madjr View Post
                  article is from 2009.

                  I wouldn't be surprised that 4 years later more than 1 is using Ubuntu.
                  I think more are using Ubuntu now, have some friends who work in animation, and they say most renderfarms they use run on Ubuntu. Weta Digital is a great example as they are now an entirely Ubuntu shop, with Ubuntu used for *both* their workstations and their render farms. Films they have worked on include Avatar, District9, Day the Earth Stood Still, Jumper, King Kong, Lord of the Rings, Fantastic Four, Eragon, X-Men, i-Robot. (source: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/...r-renders.html).

                  Ubuntu does own the cloud guest OS market with about 60% market share worldwide (see http://thecloudmarket.com/stats for up to date stats), I suppose some of the same benefits that made Ubuntu so dominant in the cloud also apply to render farms.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by benalib View Post
                    if there is a hope for the Linux desktop Linux for gamers/the masses/non-technical users, it would be Ubuntu. A strong Linux-based competitor to Windows is the dream of any advocate of open-source software. Ubuntu success means linux desktop success
                    yes indeed.We saw how the traditinal approach of distos to the desktop worked out so far.The head of gnome says "i see no feature linux in the desktop market" . Then they group up a campaign against ubuntu,stop their progress by unmotivating them with heavy critisizes,sayin every that its sh*t and so , making wayland a standart . I tried lot of distros even puppy and i think one of them that can shake things up in desktop market and other markets would be absolutely UBUNTU.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by omglotsofdots View Post
                      The head of gnome says "i see no feature linux in the desktop market" . Then they group up a campaign against ubuntu
                      You're confused. Mark Shuttleworth recently told ArsTechnica that the desktop has no future which is why he's doing Ubuntu Touch.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                        How come I get a few more FPS in games on Linux than on Windows then?
                        My nvidia run with *stuttering serious sam bfe3 and left 4 dead2, on windows I have perfectly 60fps smooth, at 1080p( gt 660), my amd apu, take 5 minutes for start a game...., on windows I play perfectly without issues, for me linux it's not an option for gaming yet.

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                        • #27
                          I don't see why people think its fair to mock Mir for not being ready after 1 year of development(ie: its useless, can't even run applications natively), but Wayland gets a free pass even though we've been waiting since early 2008.....

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                            You're confused. Mark Shuttleworth recently told ArsTechnica that the desktop has no future which is why he's doing Ubuntu Touch.
                            I saw that article and your interpretation is very piss-poor.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                              I don't see why people think its fair to mock Mir for not being ready after 1 year of development(ie: its useless, can't even run applications natively), but Wayland gets a free pass even though we've been waiting since early 2008.....
                              The problem isn't that Mir isn't ready, it is that Ubuntu is going to use it anyway.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                                I don't see why people think its fair to mock Mir for not being ready after 1 year of development(ie: its useless, can't even run applications natively), but Wayland gets a free pass even though we've been waiting since early 2008.....
                                you know, modularisation of X.org server, changes of the linux graphic stack, and such, that have been made for/along wayland all these years, and make Mir possible.

                                Why do you think Mir was started only one year ago and not in 2008?

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