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    Phoronix: The Performance Penalty Of Xfce/Xubuntu On XMir

    With there being experimental XMir-based Xubuntu 13.10 images available for the Xfce desktop spin and a request going out for testing, I ran some Phoronix performance tests to compare the XMir performance penalty for 2D and 3D workloads...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQyOTY

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    Thank you, I will go with X11.

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    • #3
      The results are as expected. Using Mir here doesn't make any sense.

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      • #4
        Mir is an abomination, kill it with fire.

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        • #5
          Longterm, will mir or wayland have substantial performance gains? Simpler and faster? Or are they looking for a cleaner way to maintain current X specs?

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          • #6
            these benchmarks are worth nothing... mir doseny have bypass yet so its point less to benchmark it...
            the final version is gonna fix that untill then all this are useless benchmars to fed wars and get more trafic :P

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            • #7
              Originally posted by canezila View Post
              Longterm, will mir or wayland have substantial performance gains? Simpler and faster? Or are they looking for a cleaner way to maintain current X specs?
              They already do have performance gains. There are even performance gains when using XWayland, the way it's intended to be used (single applications and not DEs). There are and there will never be any performance gains when using entire DEs on XWayland/XMir.

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              • #8
                stupid benchs

                this is in dev yet lol ofc the perfomance is not good as normal X. do the same with wayland, ups wayland not works i forgett

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                • #9
                  Why do we have to deal with Mir at all?? I don't get why there are benches and such a hype around it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
                    Why do we have to deal with Mir at all?? I don't get why there are benches and such a hype around it.
                    Because it's a potential candidate to the successor of X.org. Right now it's a race between wayland and mir, and while mir is younger and less supported by the community, it's catching up really fast.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MrTheSoulz View Post
                      these benchmarks are worth nothing... mir doseny have bypass yet so its point less to benchmark it...
                      the final version is gonna fix that untill then all this are useless benchmars to fed wars and get more trafic :P
                      Let's see. Xubuntu is testing XMir, a few weeks before feature freeze for this release, so they need feeback on the performance of Xubuntu under XMir, ASAP. And they asked for that. And Michael did just that, as a service, for free.

                      Now, what exactly are you complaining about?

                      Thanks Michael, keep up the good work, man!
                      Last edited by mendieta; 08-06-2013, 02:28 PM. Reason: typo

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Post
                        this is in dev yet lol ofc the perfomance is not good as normal X. do the same with wayland, ups wayland not works i forgett
                        No one sane would do such a thing with Wayland because it's entirely pointless to run and entire DE on top of a compatibility layer. With Wayland, there's a stable protocol that allows developers to write their own Wayland compositors, which can run Wayland natively, so there's no need for kludgy hacks like running a DE on XMir is. Mir has nothing comparable to offer, it serves no one's purposes except Canonical's, and even Canonical is going to suffer because of this idiocy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dee. View Post
                          No one sane would do such a thing with Wayland because it's entirely pointless to run and entire DE on top of a compatibility layer. With Wayland, there's a stable protocol that allows developers to write their own Wayland compositors, which can run Wayland natively, so there's no need for kludgy hacks like running a DE on XMir is. Mir has nothing comparable to offer, it serves no one's purposes except Canonical's, and even Canonical is going to suffer because of this idiocy.
                          this is not true, theres a good reason to run the DE on mir (for what i understand), drivers! the software layer will be X.org and drivers will be mir (X+Mir=xmir) wich means x.org no longer manages the drivers mir does.
                          i might be wrong but this is what i understand about it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MrTheSoulz View Post
                            this is not true, theres a good reason to run the DE on mir (for what i understand), drivers! the software layer will be X.org and drivers will be mir (X+Mir=xmir) wich means x.org no longer manages the drivers mir does.
                            i might be wrong but this is what i understand about it.
                            So, are there any drivers for Mir out there?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                              So, are there any drivers for Mir out there?
                              intel, ati and nvidia work with the opensource drivers.
                              canonical claims they should have the closed source ones before 14.04 untill then when your using closed source you will fallback to pure X, so id you only care about performance you got NOTHING to worry about since you will be running pure X.

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