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  • #21
    Originally posted by Ericg View Post
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    Which in current case, nobody seems to be wanting to support except for Canonical. Ball = dropped.

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    • #22
      just to clarify AUR stands as Arch Linux User Repository and is not related or supported officially by Arch Linux.

      more plain, Arch don't support Unity or Mir at all and never did, there are just User Made packages for it in AUR.

      quote from faq https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php..._is_the_AUR.3F

      "The AUR (Arch User Repository) is a place where the Arch Linux community can upload PKGBUILDs of applications, libraries, etc., and share them with the entire community. Fellow users can then vote for their favorites to be moved into the [community] repository to be shared with Arch Linux users in binary form."

      "The Arch User Repository is where all PKGBUILDs that users submit are stored, and must be built manually with makepkg. When PKGBUILDs receive enough community interest and the support of a TU, they are moved into the [community] repository (maintained by the TUs), where the binary packages can be installed with pacman."

      "A TU (Trusted User) is a person who is chosen to oversee AUR and the [community] repository. They are the ones who maintain popular PKGBUILDs in [community], and overall keep the AUR running."

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      • #23
        so much ubuntu/canonical haters.. go get life...

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        • #24
          Originally posted by NomadDemon View Post
          so much ubuntu/canonical haters.. go get life...
          so much ubuntu/canonical fanbois.. go get life... <-- fixed

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          • #25
            Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
            so much ubuntu/canonical fanbois.. go get life... <-- fixed
            moron....
            iam not ubuntu user. so gtfo bitching idiot. only think you know how to do is to bitch about everything. every post about canonical is "omg canonical bad!!! bad!!!! kill canonical, ubuntu for noobs OMG OMG111111!!!!!"

            bunch of dicks...

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            • #26
              Originally posted by NomadDemon View Post
              moron....
              iam not ubuntu user. so gtfo bitching idiot. only think you know how to do is to bitch about everything. every post about canonical is "omg canonical bad!!! bad!!!! kill canonical, ubuntu for noobs OMG OMG111111!!!!!"

              bunch of dicks...
              Keep it civil Nomad, you two jrch, or be reported.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                Distro-specific doesnt mean other distros CANT use it, it means other distros DONT use it. So until another big name distro steps up and says "We support this too, and we will help with maintenance" its distro-specific. Which seems like a chicken-egg problem, because other distros wont use it until its mainlined and it wont be mainlined until other distros use it, but thats kind of the point: if a project wants to make traction the distros need to step up and proactively show "We like this project! We want it to succeed! We will HELP it succeed!"
                Exactly right. Except, that most of the distros cannot really choose which they support, because they simply choose a desktop environment, and then go by whatever options that DE supports. You could argue that some distros pretty much run the development of certain DE's (eg. RHEL/Fedora = GNOME, Mint = Cinnamon/MATE), but that only applies to a small minority of distros. So first of all, there would need to be support for Mir in some DE that some distro is interested in providing.

                So far, the only DE that is interested in offering support for Mir is Unity. Everyone else is going for Wayland. And since no other distro is offering Unity (because it's pretty much a Canonical-only solution, it's very hard if not impossible to even get running in a non-Ubuntu distro), no distro really has any reason to offer Mir at this point, unless they'd want to run a DE on top of XMir which, again, only an idiot would want to do.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Pajn View Post
                  Mir isn't distro specific. Any distro can use it.
                  There have been developers interested in running it on Arch for example (not as an official default but in AUR).
                  There are also Unity packages in AUR, but neither Unity or Mir are officially supported by Arch devs or TUs. No wonder, considering that you have to patch half of your userland libs to get Unity going, and Mir is shaping up to be the same sort of nightmare if these patches get rejected.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                    Distro-specific doesnt mean other distros CANT use it, it means other distros DONT use it. So until another big name distro steps up and says "We support this too, and we will help with maintenance" its distro-specific. Which seems like a chicken-egg problem, because other distros wont use it until its mainlined and it wont be mainlined until other distros use it, but thats kind of the point: if a project wants to make traction the distros need to step up and proactively show "We like this project! We want it to succeed! We will HELP it succeed!"
                    With that logic Wayland is distro specific for Rebecca Black Linux and that is just stupid.

                    There are also Unity packages in AUR, but neither Unity or Mir are officially supported by Arch devs or TUs. No wonder, considering that you have to patch half of your userland libs to get Unity going, and Mir is shaping up to be the same sort of nightmare if these patches get rejected.
                    Of course that was what I said (non official).
                    Rejecting this patches would probably make Mir distro-specific yes, that's why it's so
                    stupid too do so just because your mad at Canonical. Everyone would gain to atleast
                    be able to run Mir. Maybe Mir sometimes in the future adds a cool feature that Wayland
                    doesn't want because the API wouldn't be clean enough or something like that. Then
                    maybe some users would like to run Mir on another distro.

                    No one gets hurt if Mir is easily runnable on Fedora or something else.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Pajn View Post
                      With that logic Wayland is distro specific for Rebecca Black Linux and that is just stupid.
                      And if none of the other distros had plans to change that, it would be correct. The point is that all the major distros (sans Ubuntu) have added Wayland into their plans. Mir hasn't been added to anyone's plans except Canonicals.

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